oldrustytulsa, Tulsa (7/20/2009 10:28:37 AM)

Folks the solution to all this is shoot first and answer the questions after talking with a lawyer.

happy8003104b, Tulsa (7/20/2009 10:35:42 AM)

Do not stop for anyone ever!!!

Mar, Tulsa (7/20/2009 10:36:07 AM)

The story continues to change. It was that the criminals were wearing all black. Also, I understood that the victim and his family lived at the Plantation Apartments.

Perhaps slowly the truth will come out. Unless other people at the apartment complex knows these criminals and speak up, finding 4 black men with no other descriptions is going to be impossible.

Mar, Tulsa (7/20/2009 10:40:37 AM)

I agree happy8003104b. Unfortunately, slowly our freedoms are being taken away by criminals.

It is not safe for women to be out alone at night; not safe to drive around with your vehicle doors unlocked; not safe to drive around with your windows down; not safe to stop and help a person in distress. We may eventually all need body guards.

MaintenanceMan, Tulsa (7/20/2009 10:48:43 AM)

Hope they find those low-lifes. Kill em.

FS, Broken Arrow (7/20/2009 10:58:26 AM)

Mar, Tulsa (7/20/2009 10:40:37 AM)
I agree happy8003104b. Unfortunately, slowly our freedoms are being taken away by criminals.

It is not safe for women to be out alone at night; not safe to drive around with your vehicle doors unlocked; not safe to drive around with your windows down; not safe to stop and help a person in distress. We may eventually all need body guards.
_____________________

No - just concealed carry permits.

shaw411, Scottsdale, AZ (7/20/2009 11:45:40 AM)

Agreed Maintenance Man, these four need to be caught and disposed of quickly.

im4osu, Broken Arrow (7/20/2009 11:50:08 AM)

Tulsa police need to check the call center on 21 and Sheridan for any leads.

TumblingDice, Tulsa (7/20/2009 12:09:59 PM)

^why would they get leads from a call-center three miles away from the crime scene?

okie ridgerunner, Small Country Town State Line (7/20/2009 12:16:45 PM)

The snakes craw at night.
The cowards come out at night.
These scum bags need to be hung upside down in a cess pool.

okie ridgerunner, Small Country Town State Line (7/20/2009 12:19:03 PM)

I hope some one comes forward with some information on them.scum like this do not stop untill they are caught.

Serenity, Tulsa (7/20/2009 2:58:03 PM)

I hope the police caught these garbage before they kill somebody, they will do anything to get money but work.

Better Than, Tulsa (7/20/2009 3:28:40 PM)

Tumbling I'm thinking perhaps OSU thinks they work at the call center. I think NOT. Doubt these thugs do anything positive.

im4osu, Broken Arrow (7/20/2009 4:28:54 PM)

I dont guess you have seen the kind of people that work there. Go sit in the parking lot for a few minutes sometime.

Thunder196, Tulsa (7/20/2009 5:31:00 PM)

I still feel there is more to this story. I think they have more information, that would help identify the men that did this, and they just aren't publicly saying.

Thunder196, Tulsa (7/20/2009 5:42:53 PM)

Im4osu

.........
The silence is deafening in this.

Chilango, Tulsa (7/21/2009 10:16:56 AM)

Uncle Peter if u want the cops to catch these thugs ur gonna have to tell ur wife and boy to say what the guy that shot u looked like.... Btw im the only one with this information but The Thug that shot my uncle also took his MASK OFF before he shot him... it is a missing part to the story but its true.... my auntiee needs to speak up about this.... R.I.P. Pedro Sanchez

Serenity, Tulsa (7/21/2009 10:52:15 AM)

so, if is true like Chilango says Pedro's wife saw the killer's face when he took his mask off, she needs to be put in a victim protection program and give more information before these criminals kill somebody else.

okie ridgerunner, Small Country Town State Line (7/21/2009 2:00:15 PM)

Time to speak up and tell what is known befor some one else gets killed.

pete379drivin, Broken Arrow (7/21/2009 2:45:41 PM)

Sad to say but the little we know leads me to believe that the wife is involved...why would the man supposedly take his mask off, shoot the husband and then run away leaving potentially 3 people to identify him...something smells fishy.

jennyfrmblk, (7/21/2009 4:26:01 PM)

i think people that live there no who did it someone does, i just recently moved into the planation about a month ago and it has been very quite and calm, just dog walkers and a few kids, i believe it is important that people start taklin, maybe we need a crime watch program there, im up for the challenge, those kids saw that happen to their dad...thats just not right...

tulsatradition, (7/22/2009 5:32:09 PM)

tulsatradition: So now it would seem one of the 4 BLACK PEOPLE took his mask off; oh really! If it was four hispanics dressed in black do you think the witnesses would have said so or identified them. Four BLACK MEN were an intelligant choice.

I have no idea what to do about the people that have crossed over to rage, fear and anger. Aa I said in Sunday's blog, the people living in the North of 51st Street area have an a really tough life.

What I determined as an apartment manager there that the thing to do is "support the children" unlucky to be living in that area. Some of the little ones are locked out of their apartment all day. When I called the DHS they said that I needed to know what really bad things they have to deal with. I said "just hang on I'll have some really tragic incidents for you, if I don't get help with these children".

Children as young as three years old, skinny, all arms, legs and teeth, still sweet and hopeful, (at some level). What gets me is how easy it would be to make things a lot better.

In the short time I managed a property in that area, I had ice cream get togethers on hot Saturday evening, I invited to local Fire Station to come over and hand out the ice cream. The children loved it. The Fire Fighters showed the little boys everything on the Fire Truck. Before anyone gets upset because the Fire Fighters came over for a visit, it wasn't a promotion just one of my many ways to try to stabilize the community, (just that complex). Less tax dollars were spent than it would take to keep someone incarcerated for a week. That brings me to another point. There are a hundred or so children living in that area, it would cost less to send them all to day camp every year with tax dollars than it would the jail one of them for a year. I checked.

Here is another frustration. Everyone in the City of Tulsa system that I called looking for resources for the children, agreed to help. Each and every one of them. The police are doing all they can. They are not patroling that area of town in mid-summer heat wearing bullet proof vests and those hot uncomfortable uniforms just for the money.

If the children living there now were supported the gang problem woud be over in a few years. Maybe not the perfect solution but the only one I can see that would really work.

I'm not there anymore, I didn't leave because I was afraid, the landlord didn't like the things I was doing. It seems I might bring people of merit around they might take a closer look. So I left. However I will not forget what I learned and you never know.

tulsatradition, (7/23/2009 6:14:36 PM)

Has anyone wondered if the Mrs. had a life insurance policy on the Murdered husband?