Four Sixteen Rigby, Tulsa (10/10/2009 8:27:50 PM)

Oh well. If it hadn't been her, it would've been some other useful idiot.

aint missbehavin, no thanks (10/10/2009 8:31:59 PM)

Thats a sad story and so is hers.Isnt that illegal to do?

Just a country boy, North Okmulgee County (10/10/2009 8:32:04 PM)

17 years ago I talked my then wife out of having an abortion. We already had 2 girls and I have raised my girls and son alone ever since she had him I don't regret it one minute. I just couldn't live with myself knowing I did nothing to try and stop it at the time. I hope all who consider this option think long and hard about it. It can make a big differnce in your life.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (10/10/2009 8:36:54 PM)

Raising a child, at least for me, is the most rewarding experience I've ever had in my life.

true2form, Grand Lake (10/10/2009 9:06:59 PM)

Brought to you by the catholic church, Joseph Farah and WorldNetDaily....'nuf said!

Companion, Sperry (10/10/2009 9:08:20 PM)

Go ahead and take away the rights of women to abortions. Afterall, the right sees them as nothing more then second class citizens anyway. If you are "NOT" religious, having an abortion has nothing too do with God nor man, but of yourself. The way it should be thought of. It's nobodys business but yours.

Pizzagirl, Tulsa (10/10/2009 9:38:01 PM)

Skinny,

Where did Companion say anything about health care? He's bringing up an important point in this subject, that abortion is no one's business except for the person who is getting one. But of course, shoving your nose into other people's business(like the government) is nothing new.


Don't want an abortion? Don't have one.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (10/10/2009 9:42:26 PM)

If only the foe's would see the simplicity of the solution to this problem. Pizzagirl, say's it all: "don't want an abortion? Don't have one".

WhoseLeft, Tulsa (10/10/2009 9:48:13 PM)

I understand that there is legislation pending in Oklahoma to FORCE doctors and women to submit to having their PERSONAL INFORMATION published on a website, much like a sex offender.

Women would be forced to publish the answers to 37 questions: occupation, income, how they are paying for the procedure, whether they are employed by the state, etc.

Of course the legislation is promoted by the same people who OPPOSE GOVERNMENT internvention in HEALTH CARE.

Companion, Sperry (10/10/2009 10:04:57 PM)

WhoseLeft....heard the same thing on the Rachel Maddow show. What the right would do to stop something "they feel" is immoral and too do with religion. An unreligious women having an abortion, has no thoughts about religion when the decision is made. The right has a hard time understanding that there are people in america[16%] that are atheists or agnostic. And Pizzagirl, accidents do happen when having sex. Neither intented on a pregnancy happening. I'm a liberal as can be, but I hate abortions. Women do have their rights to their body.

oldrustytulsa, Tulsa (10/10/2009 10:15:42 PM)

Yep, health care reform, and the government is going to be paying for aborts, just watch and see...?

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (10/10/2009 10:19:06 PM)

No sir. I'm against abortion just as much as you. Let me tell you a story I shouldn't but I will. I have been blessed with one child. A boy I've raised since nine months. His mother was $50.00 short of an abortion. She came to me, I refused to give her the money. It cost me $8000.00 in attorney fees and court costs to stop her from killing what has turned out to be my only child. And like I said in an earlier post to this article, it has been the most rewarding experience in my life.

I'm just tired of the hate that's taking place in this abortion debate. I found the post by Pizza Girl to be such a simple solution to this never ending argument that's filled with so much hate and has led to bombings and the murders of doctors. But I guess I'm naive, solutions to tough questions are never easy. But no, I'm absolutely against the killing of the unborn.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (10/10/2009 10:22:55 PM)

I hope not. BUt it's not a reason to kill reform either. A latter Congress can always come back an undo this if it comes to pass.

Basil, Tulsa (10/10/2009 10:37:32 PM)

"Don't want an abortion? Don't have one."

If we observe a social injustice, such as an innocent being snuffed out and remain silent, we are complicit in the act. If we all approached issues with your suggested attitude of, "It's the perpetrator's private business," the world would be a much worse place to live.

Abortion is not a personal problem, it's something that effects our entire culture, both through the millions of fellow citizens who're missing from our lives and the way it devalues life.

The majority of aborted children are killed, because they are seen as an inconvenience to their parents. Can terminated a developing infant, in any circumstance, ever be a pure and good course of action?

Ayo, T-Town (10/10/2009 10:37:43 PM)

I am a proponent for choice. That said, I don't think anyone should choose to terminate a pregnancy after the first trimester or once the fetus becomes viable outside of the womb.

I just wish the anti-abortionists would be as fervent for womens right to easy, cheap or FREE access to birth control, even for young girls. (yes, some will have sex at a young age, or be forced by fathers, step-fathers, mom's boyfriend, uncles, and etc.) How many stories have we read on here where some creepy foster parent or step-father or father has impregnated a young girl? MULTIPLE TIMES! How many?

The same people who come on here outraged over abortion are not nearly as outraged at that circumstance. WHY NOT?

I wish the anti-abortionists would be as diligent in seeing that women who want a tubal ligation can get one. For FREE. Yes, FREE. FREE, FREE, FREE.

My nephew and his girlfriend had one child. She wanted to get a tubal, but the doctor refused since she was still young. (in her mid-twenties). Now she has a second baby. STILL, the doctor has refused to do the tubal ligation. They have little money, little choice, and no insurance.

What men seem to not get is that some women get pregnant easily. Very easily. Even with birth control. Others can't get pregnant to save her life.

Do the above things, and I would take the anti-abortionists more seriously. But, it will never happen because, MEN DON'T GET PREGNANT.

I've had one child, and I'll tell you that there is no freaking way I could give a child up for adoption. No way.

If men got pregnant all this abortion or no abortion would be a non-issue. It's ironic that the majority of the staunch anti-abortionists are men. They have not an earthly idea of what its like to be pregnant. Add being poor, and single to that soup mix. They never will. You may think you do, but you don't. THEN, they dare to complain about them getting hand outs from the government.

TK1, (10/10/2009 10:46:36 PM)

Ayo,

In reading through your logic and the situation with your nephew, why doesn't your nephew have the operation? Just curious.

Legal Citizen, . (10/10/2009 10:53:33 PM)

Ayo: "I just wish the anti-abortionists would be as fervent for womens right to easy, cheap or FREE access to birth control, even for young girls. (yes, some will have sex at a young age, or be forced by fathers, step-fathers, mom's boyfriend, uncles, and etc.) How many stories have we read on here where some creepy foster parent or step-father or father has impregnated a young girl? MULTIPLE TIMES! How many?"

>> Right. Lets get those young girls on free birth control. That way they can be raped by their fathers, step-fathers, mom's boyfrineds, uncles, etc. and no one will ever know. What a relief it will be for the creepy males.

Great idea there, Ayo.

Bullhead, Nicut (10/10/2009 11:12:23 PM)

Not putting yourself in a situation that will cause pregnancy is cheap and disease free. If you don't want to pay child support, keep it zipped up. So many ways to not fight over abortion. Sex isn't all it's cracked up to be and is not worth all the problems that come with having an unwanted child.

However, if the mother or child's life is at stake, I see no other option.

Ayo, T-Town (10/10/2009 11:15:25 PM)

TK1, I'm going to make that suggestion to him. Still, if a woman wants a tubal I think she should be able to get one. Especially, if she has already had a child. I put that example up just to show the insanity out there.

I'll tell you this. I can't wait to see those two babies. They're up in Oregon. The second one is not even a month old, but the first one is the cutest little boy I have ever seen. Ever. I use to watch this particular nephew quite a bit when he was little, and he was a very cute little guy, but I think his son beat him out. :)

Legal Citizen, these girls need protection from these type of men. They need to be removed from the home and protected. How often does that happen? It seems like it usually only gets attention after they've been impregnated. Plus, many of the girls who become sexually active at a young age have been sexually abused. It's messed up. Even if they get removed from the abusive house they almost always remain sexually active due to the psychological damage. This is no scientific study here. Just some observations from various situations I've witnessed throughout my life. It's a messed up situation. Every time I read one of those stories I say my thanks for having been fortunate enough to grow up in a loving home with mom and dad who protected me, and put me before anyone or anything else. I guess I just have a hard time imagining how any little girl could endure such a situation.

Of course I don't want those young girls to be on BC and not removed from an abusive home.

I'm off topic, but it's not a simple cut and dry issue.

Companion, Sperry (10/10/2009 11:18:00 PM)

Legal Citizen doesn't have a clue does he Ayo? I remember a women author of a book I can't remember the title that was on Book TV. Her book was about abortions back a few decades ago when women were given themselves abortions and not only the fetus died, but the woman as well. Wish I could remember the author and title. It was at least two years ago when she was on Book TV. But as she was talking about her book, I had a sense that Roe-v-Wade saved a lot of women's lives and gave more understanding from relatives of the predicament of unwanted pregnancy within a normal family and the desperation of the pregnant teenager.

Mar, Tulsa (10/10/2009 11:24:47 PM)

Don't want to have to make a decision whether to have an abortion or not.......don't get pregnant. Simple.

Basil, Tulsa (10/10/2009 11:56:51 PM)

Eventually, abortion will be criminalized, because terminating a life cannot be viewed as someone's private business. The ruling in Roe v. Wade was a joke, and contradicts any sensible legal precedent. No other crime has found protected status on the same grounds, because it is ludicrous.

Now we've dumbed down a few generations to view this as a matter of choice, privacy, or control over one's own life. Those views are severely warped. It's time to shed noon-day light on what we've been doing and repent and change our direction.

out here in the middle, Sand Springs (10/11/2009 12:07:55 AM)

Pizzagirl 150 years ago: "If you don't like slavery, don't own a slave."

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (10/11/2009 12:19:37 AM)

So does not a woman just as a man not have control over her body? I'm staunchly against abortion. See earlier post in this thread, but I have no right to tell a woman what she can do with her body. That's between her and her conscience.

aint missbehavin, no thanks (10/11/2009 12:36:58 AM)

Well here I go.....ya know,its easy to sit and say this but the point is, condoms.I know,noone wants to hear it but if we stressed this then we wouldnt be having this conversation.Also folks,it keeps down the population.Its almost 2010,can we possibly come out of the dark ages and be concerned about our teens...be way too easy wouldnt it,we wouldnt have nothin to talk about would we.