Jay of Tulsa, (9/24/2009 1:10:22 PM)

This just in.....
The cost of poultry products is on the rise...

my view, Sand Springs (9/24/2009 1:21:20 PM)

There is no question that our lakes and streams have been ruin by poultry litter; I'm convinced of it. If the price of cleaning up our waters means higher prices, I'll pay it.

My opinion!

I Fish, (9/24/2009 1:24:06 PM)

Jay of Tulsa... your water, our water is polluted with chicken waste. Water, the source of all life... without it you'll just choke on your pricey chicken!

I Fish !

NE Oklahoma Girl, NE Oklahoma (9/24/2009 1:33:05 PM)

I Fish, there's also people poo in that water. Oh, and cattle, and all kinds of wildlife.

And my well water (in the Illinois River watershed) tastes amazing. Comes straight from the spring, that runs clear mind you. And some of the best fishing around is Flint Creek, where the water runs clear most of the year.

tulsaGuy, (9/24/2009 2:00:35 PM)

It's about time !!!!! Go get'em Attorney General Edmondson.

I Fish, (9/24/2009 2:13:38 PM)

There you are again NE Oklahoma Girl, we all know you have some ties to this issue, other than just trying to clean up the river. Sure there is people poo in it ... and Fayetteville is trying to clean up their act on that...those cows and those rangey old deer are going to get blamed by you one of these days too...and oh don't forget the fish, they poop in the water too... it's those 200,000 + tons of chicken waste spread all over the IR watershed that is to blame. I'm glad your water is clean up on your end of the watershed, for now anyway, how will you feel the day some e-coli comes'a bubbling up in your well? Now, how about those folks at the far end... near Tenkiller? What do you have to say to them? When the Lower Illinois River is running brown out of Lake Tenkiller dam and smells like sulfur dioxides?

I Fish

Danny.Williams, sand springs (9/24/2009 2:49:26 PM)

It's about time.
The condition of the Illinios is disgusting from what it once was.
Raise the price of chicken, but let's turn this around.

Jumbo, (9/24/2009 3:00:23 PM)

"We are here today to determine the future of the Illinois River watershed,” Edmondson said during the state’s opening remarks. "I am here today to dismiss your case," Judge Frizzell said in response.

NE Oklahoma Girl, NE Oklahoma (9/24/2009 3:30:14 PM)

I Fish, My point is not to blame. I know we have a part in it, haven't once said we didn't. And the only affiliation I have with the industry is that most of my family raises chickens. We're in with the ones that are ultimately getting the blame while we do our best to feed you. I'm only saying that we have done our part by tring to clean up our act, but still we get blamed for it even worse than when spreading was done without testing and when our litter didn't leave the farm. Everyone in the watershed needs to do their part on the clean up. And those that chastise farmers need to recognize that farmers are currently trying to clean up, but it's kind of hard to do when you are scraping the bottom of the barrel for cash to pay bills. Hard to do fix something when you can't pay the electric.

As for the EColi. I'm sure there is Ecoli in my well, as is the case with most of the wells in OK. Not getting anywhere on that one.

NE Oklahoma Girl, NE Oklahoma (9/24/2009 3:31:38 PM)

Also, why is Tenkiller having such issues when the water runs clear in Flint, with lord knows how many chickens right on the creek. I would think it would be worse right at the source.

I Fish, (9/24/2009 4:30:27 PM)

NE Girl, you need to do some homework. First the A.G. of OKLA is not suing your family... he is suing those folks that wouldn't help your family when you needed it, when you were up to your u-knowwhat with Chicken litter and they offered you no help and during that time Lake Tenkiller has become a cesspool of sorts ...Remember your science class in grade school... ALL WATER FLOWS DOWN HILL ... sure your little part of the water shed looks clean today, but when it is raining and it's running high... that's when the run off occurs... really, think about this... And if your water well already has e-coli bacteria in it... you better stop drinking it cause you are gonna get sick NE Okla Girl and I rest my case!

GenerallyCrazy, (9/24/2009 4:35:23 PM)

Just an opportunity for Ed to get some spotlight before he announces for governor. I participated in a group study a few months ago, where both sides presented their "evidence". The state's was totally lacking.

Vern, Spiro (9/24/2009 6:38:03 PM)

I like saying Poop. Poop, Poop, Poop, Poop.

Faith, (9/24/2009 10:02:21 PM)

I don't like drinking it though. Usually the court sides with corporations and I am wondering how they will come down on this one.

I agree with what my view said.

tulsaGuy, (9/25/2009 5:19:20 AM)

Great !! It's about time Oklahoma got serious about protecting its most important natural resource !!

water watcher, (9/25/2009 6:30:01 AM)

Regarding the group study mentioned by Generally Crazy, could you be more specific? The group study sounds fascinating. Under what auspiece was it conducted? Who represented the "evidence" for each side of this issue? Sounds like a very interesting experience - please share with other readers.

Miss Smart A., (9/25/2009 6:50:32 AM)

Drew is sounding like Al Gore. God gave us this planet to destroy as we see fit.

Phantomll, Spavinaw (9/25/2009 7:30:16 AM)

If my memory serves .. Oklahoma already won a small suit in this scheme. The sheeple (ahem, State of Oklahoma) won a $200,000 settlement and the Turpin, etal law firms received over $2 million in fees.

wardog, Miami (9/25/2009 8:12:22 AM)

Well lets see, it must be getting close to a big election. They have brought up the old chick waste case AGAIN. How long has this been going onn...A VERY LONG TIME. but now its needed for votes. Not because its destroying our waters, heck not, big bucks are made here, so its over looked until needed. I'm sure you won't believe this but soory its true. Im sure you don't want to look and see, to much trouble, you'll just listen to what your told. This is government in control folks as much as your screaming about the president and health care, this is governemt oo believe it or not, the police, firemen, our highways, all depend on government watching out and supporting these and many more. Or is it you only dislike Federsl government? Is it OK for state government to sucker us right into our staying stupid? What is wrong with you people, do you wear blinders? They were so afraid of the President and the big brainwashing LIE, well we (me and you) have been brainwashed for years and years. So long thousands stand and scream when somebody new wants to change things...for the better, we scream because we're told to do so. This chicken waste cas is small compaired to the health care system but they are All part of the bid scam being done to ALL in this country. This ckicken case should have been solved and stopped years ago but ITS FOR PART OF THE BIG BUCKS TO CHANGE WOULD MEAN 'We the People' would win and those trying to keep things the same would loose..Loose the right to for their scams to continue all the way to their pockets!

mean missy, no thanks (9/25/2009 8:32:49 AM)

Oh how true,it just wouldnt seem right if they didnt,whata chicken sqott.

Daniel Day Simpson, Edmond (9/25/2009 8:46:26 AM)

No doubt something has greened up the river. Divers are now skipping Tenkiller due to the muck. I know more divers who do the Eufaula dam area. Of course they are doin some illegal noodling but that's another story.

Jay of Tulsa, (9/25/2009 8:58:07 AM)

==I FISH==
Why the attacks? I have zero affiliation with the chicken industry. I was simply stating my opinion that poultry prices will be going up once this suit is done...quit breathing the water dude..
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the farmers are regulated by the amount of litter they can spread on their land. I personally think this lawsuit is a fishing expedition looking for someone to blame for something that occurs naturally.

..I don't fish..

NE Oklahoma Girl, NE Oklahoma (9/25/2009 8:58:18 AM)

I fish, you need to come to a farm and learn how things work in the real world. The litter isn't being spread by Tyson, it's being spread by farmers. If Tyson has to pay money, it will come out of not only the consumer's pocket in the form of higher prices, but out of the farmers pockets in the form of lower prices. That is if they decide to continue providing OK farmers with chickens.

Also, I'm not a dumb butt, I know a thing or two about cause and effect. Common knowledge would say that the problem would be worse at the source of the problem. There will be a trickle down, and coming from a lot of different areas, Tenkiller would be bad. I'm not here trying to start a riot by what I'm saying, just trying to educate a few people on what really happens versus what the media tends to throw out and what people believe with no reason other than someone else said it was right.

And on my well, I don't want to hear about how I need to change. I'd rather drink creek water where I know what's going in it rather than city water any day. I've been drinking the water for more years than I can remember and I've never been sick. Most of the people around here seem to have that same problem. Dang chicken crap.

Charley, (9/25/2009 10:01:39 AM)

Someone mentioned Drew was running for governor. This case has been on his desk for a long time, he just needs some attention, so he's fighting for Oklahoma, just at the right time.

Even our dumbest Okie should be able to see through that screen

NE Oklahoma Girl, NE Oklahoma (9/25/2009 10:38:38 AM)

Thank you Charley, I think that's why he's pushing so hard. I will give him this, he's caused a lot of good regulations to go into effect due to looking into this. We needed these. We didn't realize what spreading lots of litter without concern to plant needs was doing to the water. They enforced soil tests, and lots of farmers realized that they can spread what they need and sell the rest. Another way to make a buck and selling it helps pay for the clean-out.

Now, some companies require a CNMP before you get birds, and you have to keep track of where the litter goes with copies of soil tests. We still have a ways to go, but with education programs (that they require to a certain extent) we're learning new things. Our portion of the pollution wasn't caused in a day, it won't be fixed because of a lawsuit, that's just a way of spending money on lawyers. It will be fixed as everyone does their part to clean up what they've been doing, over years and years.