Angry Citizen!, Bluejacket (11/5/2009 9:55:28 AM)

Partisan posturing from the California leftists, this bill is DOA because of Boxer's refusal to study its economic impact.

oldrustytulsa, Tulsa (11/5/2009 8:19:40 PM)

What we gotta do is deport Al Gore, he is not American.And as for B. Boxer, she has got to be committed to some type of mental health care because she is dangerous to herself and others.A mental evaluation should be made of all DC elected, and drug abuse test, pee in a cup, should be mandated by the tax paying citizens.

Sanity, Broken Arrow (11/5/2009 9:25:43 AM)

Tulsa Kayaker, I say, you will be sorry, yes very sorry.

Few Clothes, America (11/7/2009 8:57:10 AM)

The space cadets have come out in droves for this story. The kool air breakfast club.

my view, Sand Springs (11/5/2009 9:29:58 AM)

Tulsa Kayaker,

Inhofe didn't vote for the bill he left before they voted. It won't pass in the Senate, this bill is dead on arrival. I doubt they'll have enough votes to bring it to a vote.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/6/2009 9:21:09 PM)

It's not about whether our climate is cooling or warming. It about the earth's climate changing.

A blind study conducted by Purdue University mathematicians and statisticians were given a 100 year temperatures from every temperature recoding station in the US for the last 100 years. They didn't know what these number were for or what they were records of. After a complete study of the figures, it showed a rising average of about 5 degrees and a probability trend of 10 degrees over the coming 100 years. Now that could translate into some serious "CLIMATE CHANGE".

As some can tell I went back from fire fox.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/6/2009 9:42:30 PM)

I appreciate the assistance. And I truly like Fire Fox. I desperately would like to go back to it but, it doesn't support my Google home page with Google scholar and eBay research tool tabs. If I could find a way to get them on the Fire Fox homepage. I'd go back in a flash. I love it. But the functionality of my home page is disrupted without my research tools. As these tools are how I make a living. You wouldn't want me on welfare would you Zoltar. LOL

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/6/2009 9:46:58 PM)

But Zoltar, last week when it was raining. Something hard hit me in the head. It turned out to be a extra large water droplet. Obviously the condensate didn't evaporate at a rate fast enough to dissipate the water droplet so that it conformed t the average size of a rain drop. The problem you ask. The rate of atmospheric decline and water density change was affected by a higher atmospheric relative humidity temperature. And a huge drop hit me on my head. So the sky is falling after all.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/6/2009 10:28:45 PM)

HA HA HA, I truly do love you Zoltar. I see your light. Thanks, Be checking back with you from time to time. Have fun now. Catch ya later.

Ayo, T-Town (11/5/2009 9:47:02 AM)

No one whose opinion counts
counts Inhofe's opinion
as having merit.

Ayo, T-Town (11/5/2009 10:21:59 AM)

Unbelieving, Mad Cow Disease is Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Bovine meaning Cow, hence Mad Cow Disease.

While this is related to Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease which is what humans can contract, it isn't the same thing. These two diseases along with several others (Chronic wasting disease which affects several species of undulates, and Scrapie which affects sheep) are caused by prions. Prions are proteins and are not a virus or a bacterium. Prions lack a nucleic acid.

You may want to rethink throwing names around if you haven't even the least bit of knowledge of what you're talking about.

This is precisely why I discount the opinion of laymen who think they have all the answers to climate change. Most of them don't know squat. And, you've just proven that.

Ayo, T-Town (11/5/2009 11:44:52 AM)

Globally, we've been on a decarbonization trend for over 300 years.

Wood which was the primary source of energy long ago has a ratio of 10 molecules of carbon for every hydrogen. The energy is in the hydrogen. You have to break the H-C bond to get the energy released, and the number of Carbons released makes this a dirty fuel.

Coal has 2 Carbons per one hydrogen. Better, but still dirty. There isn't any such thing as 'clean coal'.

Oil has one carbon per two hydrogens. Even better.

Natural gas is written as CH4 or 4 hydrogens per one carbon. Much better energy source than oil. It's more efficient since the energy is in the release of the hydrogen. What's more it's less carbon released.

Relative to wood, NG has a 40 times greater efficiency. Way more bang for the buck.

The fewer C's per H the cleaner burning the fuel, and the more efficient the fuel.

We have continued on a path to a more efficient fuel by using those sources to obtain our energy which have a greater output of energy. Plus, we're burning less carbon.

Just take a look at the history of energy sources, uses, and the resulting pollution. The coal barons didn't go down without a fight when society shifted from coal to oil as our primary source of fuel/energy.

Watch what's happening now. Do you really thing the oil barons will give up without a fight? Global societies are slowly shifting to cleaner fuels. Too bad about the loss of jobs in the coal industry. I'm sure there was someone saying the same thing about the loss of jobs when we shifted to oil, but you can't stop progress. It's inevitable.

Ayo, T-Town (11/5/2009 1:40:05 PM)

TUBULAR, I mentioned oil because it does play a huge role in the overall schematics of energy and fuel. Since we've trended toward cleaner fuels I couldn't not mention oil.

I do believe we will continue to evolve to cleaner burning energy, and I personally love the idea of using NG to fire up the electrical plants. Wouldn't that be great for Oklahoma and other NG producing states? I'd also like to see more vehicles fueled with NG.

Eventually, we'll get our technology to where we'll be burning hydrogen and release only water as a waste, although it won't really be waste. That 'waste' will simply return to the hydrological cycle. We'll get there eventually even if we have to drag others kicking and screaming. I don't think the 'dragging kicking and screaming' will happen, because technology will continue to improve which will affect overall economics of energy production, use, and decisions regarding the types of energy used.

In time, what happened to the coal industry when oil became a major player in fuel use will probably happen to the oil industry as our technology improves in all phases of the newer energy coalesced with NG and oil. I think it'll be a gradual shift driven by both technology and economics.

I personally don't believe there will be a 'one world order'. That's and exaggeration. And as far as the planet being destroyed? That won't happen either. We may very well pollute ourselves out of water, land, and air, and kill ourselves off, but the planet itself will rebound. It may take thousands of years, but the planet will rebound even if humans don't.

18thandBoston, (11/5/2009 9:49:23 AM)

Glenn Beck said global warming isn't real and he's on TV so he has to be telling the truth.
Thanks for defending America from something or other, Inhofe!

Zoltar, Boltar (11/5/2009 10:28:58 AM)

This bill will destroy manufacturing as we know it in America and Al Gore will become a Trillionaire if it passes! This bill has to be stopped at all cost, our country can ill afford to pay for this lunacy at this time. What is it about $1.4 trillion dollar deficit do our congressmen not understand!

Zoltar, Boltar (11/6/2009 9:34:40 PM)

"As some can tell I went back from fire fox." >>>Futureworld

I spell-checked 10 of your previous comments and it's obvious, you should go back to Mozilla Firefox. Sorry, just trying to help.

Zoltar, Boltar (11/6/2009 9:39:38 PM)

And FW, the sky is not falling! You sir are a gullible sheep.

Zoltar, Boltar (11/6/2009 10:24:52 PM)

"So the sky is falling after all." Future World

It appears you have undisputed facts, I knew you would come to your senses!

sr71v3, (11/5/2009 1:14:10 PM)

Just so you'll know ... the Arctic pack is frozen sea water and the Antarctic ice bergs are fresh water. Antarctic ice is GROWING - not melting.

Point being ... ALL of the Arctic ice could melt and no one would know the difference. Salt water displaces salt water in direct proportion.
ecoworld dot com/climate/the-real-facts-on-increasing-antarctic-ice dot h t m l

sr71v3, (11/5/2009 1:18:54 PM)

Dusty - "And the Pope is a Buddist."

Well - that certainly clears up a few things!!!!

sr71v3, (11/5/2009 2:19:12 PM)

Ayo ... The New World Order has been the dream of globalists for many years. They will stop at nothing to bring it about.

The Copenhagen Treaty, page 18 section 38, establishes a "government" that is given power to tax US citizens.

It will take more than you "not believing" it will happen. It will take you remaining vigilant and active in the fight to see it does not.

tulsagerry, Tulsa (11/6/2009 8:44:45 PM)

That's it, Zoltar, parade your ignorance all over the state! Let's let our whole world melt while you and Senator Hoax play with each other!

born okay the 1st time, tulsa (11/5/2009 10:41:23 AM)

pdillo, please sell your car immediately& commence to eating no meat & stop breathing too, all those produce toxins.

Barleybaby, Tulsa (11/5/2009 12:13:05 PM)

Oh AYO is so educated, we are not worthy of sharing this site with such an immense brain. Please wait whilst I wipe the drool from my keyboard.....Okay with that done allow me to point out that much climate change research has been debunked, the supporters are simply behind their idealouges because they say so. The science has not been set in stone and our reform would do squat nadda since China and India wouldn't follow along. Inhofe is doing exactly as I would like him to, three cheers for a representive republic! Thankfully this squat is dead on the Senate floor. Oh and there is that annoying little legislative rule that a bill cannot pass out of committee without two minority members present. Typical of Barbara "Don't call me Maam" Boxer to just ignore things such as parliamentary procedure ,and like her party, the Constitution. <---- reference to Pelosi saying "Are you serious?" when asked about the health bill and the governments place in mandating that insurance be purchased by the people.

Que, Terlton (11/6/2009 6:33:33 PM)

Whether you believe the earth is warming or cooling or staying the same, we should all be worried that power plants are putting 30 trillion tons of CO2 into the air along with mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic and radioactive isotopes. Much of those end up in the water and in the food chain. We are now finding mercury in fish even where there are no natural sources. The mercury in tuna has gone up 30% since 1990.
Like carbonated water, the oceans are now 20% more acidic than a century ago and if that keeps on species that make carbonate shells won't be able to do so. Saying adios to shrimp, crabs and lobsters will be hard but it is worse than that. The corals that form the fisheries and the plankton that that produce the dissolved oxygen and form the basis for the food chain also make carbonate shells.

It'll only get worse unless we act. It's OK if you call me an alarmist - but you might want to consider that I'm also chemist.