FIRE GUNDY, TULSA (11/7/2009 8:59:34 AM)

Good comments cherylann, and a pefect example of why we need reform.

Mar, Tulsa (11/7/2009 8:05:47 PM)

Galadriel. The past 4 days I've received 2 mailings from AARP wanting me to join and also purchase their life insurance. I wrote at the top of both of their letters "Hell will freeze over before I join your organization and buy anything from you, since you are in Obama's hip pocket and backing the health care plan Obama, Pelousy and Reid is trying to cram down our throats!"

Then I stuffed the letter in the prepaid envelopes and mailed them back to AARP. lol lol

Mar, Tulsa (11/7/2009 8:50:33 PM)

LOL Future World can be so funny at times.

Mar, Tulsa (11/7/2009 8:51:54 PM)

"lose" YoYo A GoGo, not loose.

Mar, Tulsa (11/8/2009 10:47:10 AM)

I agree Dwight Schrute.

But it still has to go to the Senate. Let's hope the Senate listens to the majority of the people better than the House did.

I forsee a lot of Dems being out of a job during November 2010. I for one will be researching to see who voted for the Obama heath care crap and will send emails to them complaining. I'll check Oklahoma's politicians to see who, if any voted for the bill. They will really hear from me! The ones that voted against it, will receive a thank you email from me.

Mar, Tulsa (11/8/2009 10:58:54 AM)

I agree, I wouldn't call 220-215 a major landslide. So it shows how stupid Obama is. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Unfortunately we ended up with a sow's ear as president.

Few Clothes, America (11/7/2009 11:59:00 AM)

Thank you dappie! I couldn't have said it better myself.

Few Clothes, America (11/7/2009 12:02:50 PM)

Cherylynn, let's get that money back and you and I can fly to Europe!

Few Clothes, America (11/7/2009 12:05:32 PM)

Galadriel. Hopefully, this will drop their profits like the pos they are! I joined them when I turned 50 and never re-uped with them as I didn't like their tactics then.

Few Clothes, America (11/8/2009 8:16:21 AM)

GOP. Insider didn't say who or what he had sex with. Could be men, women, cows, pigs, sheep, or horses. We've all heard about horse breeding.

Few Clothes, America (11/8/2009 3:38:22 PM)

Tulsa World. Please, please, please, take the ugly woman's picture off. I'm begging you! It spoiled my mid-afternoon snack.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 10:47:30 AM)

Popeye is cutting and pasting that same comment on other articles today.

Popeye: It is just as easy to refute your points here as it was for me to refute them elsewhere. Get some new material.

Here is a brief refutation:

Point 1- The Republicans voted AGAINST the WPA when it was being created. It is LOL-funny that Popeye now wants this old program.

Point 2- Republicans like having cheap immigrant labor. That is why they authorized a few hundred miles of easily-breached fence on a 2,000 mile-long border with Mexico.

Point 3- Many wealthy people and Popeye prefer regressive taxes to shift the burden of taxation onto the backs of those least able to pay. I and other progressives prefer progressive taxes to place the heaviest tax burden on those most able to bear the burden.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 11:44:11 AM)

marine 2.0:

To whom were you addressing your attacks against points 2 and 3 of Popeye's post?

If you were addressing me, then you should have said so.

It is difficult to understand the incoherent thought at the beginning of your attack against point 3. However, at the end of that part of your comment, I was able to understand that you don't like progressive taxes. You gave the impression that you view taxes as punishment for slothful behavior (being poor). You are also leaving out the regressive taxes that are also collected by our government. The overall tax burden in this nation, when one takes into consideration all taxes collected by all levels of government, distributes the burden far more equally according to WEALTH distribution than your selection of a statistic showing that the top 10% pay 80% + of the taxes. Also, are you including ALL TAXES collected by ALL levels of government?

I have not seen any proposals from the AFL-CIO calling specifically for "open borders" with Mexico. I have seen many right-wing sites claiming that point. I will be glad to learn something from you if you will kindly provide the quote from a spokesman of the AFL-CIO in which he/she calls specifically for "open borders."

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 1:19:08 PM)

marine2.0:

You didn't answer my question. Just as I suspected, you came up empty when you tried to find a statement by any spokesperson for the union taking the position favoring open borders. The AFL-CIO has not taken a position supporting open borders. They have taken positions in support of worker rights that you choose to equate with open borders, but the two positions are not one and the same.

On the other matter, we simply have different ideas of what constitutes tax fairness. I have to question your understanding of the Constitution if you really think that one can't be for progressive taxes and support the Constitution. Have you not heard that the sixteenth amendment was added in 1913? It allows for a tax on income. Welcome to the early 20th century. (Too bad that it is now the early 21st century). LOL!!!!

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 1:30:52 PM)

Popeye posted a comment at 8:39 this morning on the letter "Be very afraid" claiming that he had to go to work to put his daughter through TU because he lost his savings. He was losing the argument with two of us at that time.

I find it interesting that he couldn't continue to post comments on that thread because he had to go to work, and yet he has been posting comments on this story and on another story since then.

ROFLMAO!!!!

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 1:54:21 PM)

FS:

Is there new equipment in football? I never heard of a football bat.

I will agree that once the people realize that it is a tremendous waste to give away good money to health insurance companies rather than have more of their health care dollars go to health care, we should insist that the members of Congress also join the common Medicare system that the vast majority of us will someday insist upon enlarging to include everyone below the age of 65.

We should mourn the tragedy at Fort Hood rather than attempt to make a political football of that senseless slaughter. You should have left that one alone, FS.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 2:29:07 PM)

marine2.0:

You aren't in a good position to write in such a patronizing way. You haven't been doing very well to this point. Where is the proof that an AFL-CIO spokesperson has called for "open borders?" I'm waiting!!!

You keep trying to imply that only Democrats have been "soft" on stopping illegal aliens. Both parties have plenty of elected officials who don't want to close the borders. Do you remember a fellow named George W. Bush? He is fairly representative of the Texas business community and its desire to have plenty of cheap labor from Mexico. If I remember correctly, he approved of the porous fence that is more than 1,000 miles short of stretching across the entire border. That decision certainly didn't show "Republican resolve" to close the border, now did it?

Your side has had nearly 100 years to get the graduated income tax declared unconstitutional. It hasn't happened yet. It is time for you to get a clue. IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL!!! LMAO!!!!

Actually I have already won the argument many times that we should have universal health care coverage and it does NOT involve any more socialism/marxism than currently exists in our many systems of paying for and delivering health care to the American people. It involves government involvement as the payer, while maintaining our free-enterprise system of delivering most health care to patients.

Please, keep on name-calling me. It makes me laugh.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/9/2009 5:23:48 AM)

The Bill of Rights IS subject to a simple majority vote OF THE SCOTUS. Through selective incorporation, the SCOTUS has bound the state governments to certain, but not all, of the limits originally placed on the federal government's power over the people. The SCOTUS has also, by simple majority vote, altered the protections granted by the Bill of Rights. One example was the ruling in Schenck v. United States. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, in writing the opinion of the court, created the "clear and present danger" doctrine. The government may, during times of war, limit free speech/free press, in the name of national security interest.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/8/2009 7:47:06 AM)

Zoltar:

calloy and I were just talking about you and "Bubba." ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/8/2009 8:01:15 AM)

mh:

If you voted for George W. Bush TWICE, did you ever admit the terrible mistake that YOU made?

Congratulations-- You scored a trifecta. You referred to the elected leader of our nation as a socialist, muslim, African, idiot. Check that. Wow!!! That was no trifecta. That was a quadfecta!!!!!!!!!!!

Now aren't you the intelligent smarty pants.

Just one thing-- I will accept that his father was both a muslim and an African, but our President is both a Christian and an American. His academic background and his impressive list of achievements offers a rebuttal against the charge that he is an idiot.

Can you even define socialist? If so, would you read his speech, given in New York on September 17, 2007 and tell me how a man who believes in capitalism as he does, could possibly be a socialist?

Thank you for making this so easy.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/8/2009 8:04:23 AM)

Zoltar: You sounded wistful in your comment concerning locking you up with Bubba. That is what calloy and I were talking about. Capeesh?

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/8/2009 8:05:47 AM)

zoltar: No, I would not like to be in a cell with Bubba. That was YOUR request.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/8/2009 8:30:41 AM)

Hobbs: I believe that Zoltar has "Bubba on his mind" and can't concentrate on much else right now.

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/8/2009 8:50:54 AM)

Zoltar: I'm getting the idea that you are a recruiter for the Log Cabin Republicans.

Get it through your head that it is YOUR fantasy about not complying with the insurance law in order to be sent to prison and become a cell-mate of "Bubba." If you are confused, just reread your 7:17 am comment. You began by stating "Get me a room at the federal prison with Bubba because I'm not paying for this unconstitutional behemoth!"

Besides, if I have deciphered Teddy b=Bear's comment correctly, I believe that you have much more in common with him than do I. I will be paying for my health care and will keep out of prison. "Bubba" and Teddy Bear are all yours!!

Democrat, Tulsa County (11/7/2009 4:10:10 PM)

Popeye:

Does your employer approve of you using work-time to post comments?

If you were going to goof-off during work-time, you should have come back to the shellacking that you were getting. That was my point. Duh!!!

Let's just restore the 39.6% top rate of the income tax bracket. We were producing budget surpluses with that rate during the late 1990s.