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Stagnant welfare caseloads create puzzle
 
By RON JENKINS Associated Press Writer
Published: 7/11/2009  12:09 PM
Last Modified: 7/11/2009  12:09 PM

OKLAHOMA CITY — Anti-poverty workers say it is a puzzle that more people have not applied for welfare assistance in the midst of the current economic downturn.

They also cite statistics over the last five years showing declines in public assistance caseloads and a corresponding increase in the percentage of Oklahoma applicants denied aid.

The number of Oklahomans receiving aid in March under the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program grew by only 230, or 1.2 percent, from a year ago.

In the same month, the Oklahoma unemployment ranks increased by almost 47,000, or 82 percent from last year, and the number of people getting food stamp assistance rose for the 12th straight month to a record 450,000.

There also was a rise in applications for Medicaid assistance, part of a 4.5 percent increase from March of 2008.

Officials at the Oklahoma Policy Institute say they have long had questions about how TANF operates in Oklahoma and the program's effectiveness in fighting poverty. They say applications for TANF have fallen every year since 2004.

They want to know if factors include qualification requirements of the state program and the relatively low maximum benefits allowed: $292 a month for a family of three, compared with a median benefit of $492 a month across the country.

The range among the states is from $170 in Mississippi to $923 in Alaska, said David Blatt, director of policy at the private, nonprofit organization, which support programs to fight poverty.

According to the Institute, Oklahoma spends just 13 percent of TANF money on cash assistance, compared to a national average of 30 percent. Most of TANF funds go to job training, education and other programs.

"Can we show that our spending for child care, transportation, administration and other social programs is equally or more effective at fighting poverty than cash assistance?" the Institute asked recently on its Web site.

Mary Leaver, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma Department of Human Services, defended existing priorities. "We believe that putting money into training and programs will help people have a more secure future," she said.

Blatt said there is no doubt the TANF program has had success in better economic times getting people training and into jobs.

"Now we're dealing with a downturn and we know the number of unemployed and people in poverty are rising and it seems to be unclear whether the TANF program is really functioning as a safety net for those in need," he said.

He said a single mom faces more obstacles getting aid than they did before welfare reform in the late 1990s.

Because of low payments, red tape in federal law and state policies, "You may have reached the point where people have stopped treating TANF as something that is available," Blatt said.

He said there are detrimental consequences if that is the case. "If there is no income, that can lead to homelessness and other kinds of problems that are worse. We think TANF is an important part of the safety net, particularly now that we are seeing this steep rise in joblessness."

According to Blatt, 50 percent of applicants for TANF were denied benefits in 2004, while 60 percent were denied in 2008.

The TANF program was part of federal welfare reform and came into being in 1997. It replaced the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program.

Just as with AFDC, single adults do not qualify for cash assistance in Oklahoma. Only families with children qualify.

Adult categories include single moms and guardians such as grandmothers who are raising kids. According to DHS, there were 8,812 households with 15,991 children covered by TANF in April, but less than 3,500 of the cases involved parents receiving cash payments.

Since its inception, politicians of all stripes have hailed changes under TANF that have reduced the welfare rolls in Oklahoma.

Officials at DHS said welfare cash payments dropped by 80 percent between June of 1998 and June of last year.

"We consider that a success," Leaver said. "Our goal is to help people find employment as soon as possible for those participating in the TANF program."

However, she said the agency recently has seen an increase in adults with children who are seeking assistance.

She said there is a concern that with higher unemployment rates, it will be more difficult for current and former TANF clients to find a job than in the past.

Leaver said former TANF clients have a tool that AFDC clients did not have during tough economic times: unemployment benefits. She said if the recession is protracted and those benefits run out, TANF rolls could swell.

Blatt said only about half of unemployed people qualify for jobless benefits, including those who have not been in their jobs for long and those who are dismissed.





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tao4mind, Enid (7/11/2009 12:31:16 PM)
Those welfare assistance folks are cooking Meth and your home visits would dispupt the process.
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Popeye, T-Town (7/11/2009 12:49:21 PM)
Maybe it's just that good news (bad for the entitled) travels fast!
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Jt4OU, mohnton (7/11/2009 1:05:31 PM)
give them time they will return, under the ODummer plan..
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Check It out, Tulsa (7/11/2009 2:01:43 PM)
Or...because the guidelines are so difficult and the payout is obviously not enough to pay utility bills much less maintain a car and look for a job so most single mothers are now faced with ugly choices when they lose their jobs...letting some idiot who treats them and the kids like crap crawl over them just so they have a place to live...dump kids on grandmas who are too old and prideful to seek assistance,,,sell drugs or their bodies...work two minimum wage jobs and leave the kids home alone,,,and the biggest common denominator among these choices,,,the kids are neglected and impoverished and end up with their peers raising them...gangs and perverts... but at least they were not on welfare and us hard working tax payers do not have to pay for them until they get to prison. Surely euthanasia would be more cost effective and less messy than watching them ruin our neighborhoods and in the long run it would be more merciful because we know these kids are never going to contribute or become like a president or something.
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Check It out, Tulsa (7/11/2009 2:09:23 PM)
Just think if we could get together and wipe out welfare by having everyone on assistance put to sleep we could have eliminated ever having your least favorite Presidents from having made adulthood...Clinton and Obama. Of course if we eliminate the poor masses who is quitting their good jobs to build our roads put roofs on our houses, work in restaurants, dry clean our clothes, take our money at quik trip, ring up our groceries, sweep our streets, teach our kids, pick up our garbage, answer the 911 calls, drive the ambulances,....all of these are working for salaries under the federal poverty level and most are uninsured. Who wants those jobs when we have culled the herd and everyone left planned well enough to have a good education and a career or business that puts them in the safety zone of never needing assistance.
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rememberme?, (7/11/2009 2:14:13 PM)
sounds like faith based initiatives are picking up the slack...so they don't need welfare. this is a very giving state, and it doesn't look like most of the fatties around here are missing too many meals.
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Mar, Tulsa (7/11/2009 4:24:22 PM)
You may be correct, rememberme?

I still say the welfare reform in the 1990's was one of the best things to happen. It got all those lazy entitlement minded people off their rears and having to work for a living or at the very least getting an education and then a job.

Back in the 1980's I remember hearing some young women say that they didn't feel they should have to work because they had babies, that they were entitled to welfare. Never mind that there were a lot of women with babies out working (incuding myself). And those working women leaving their babies at child care centers were paying taxes so the welfare moms could stay home and take care of their own babies. How ironic. :)

Oklahoma isn't as generous as some states regarding welfare. In the early 1990's Kansas was very generous. I worked at a child care center in Kansas. There were about 98 children, ages 8 weeks to 11 years old at that center. About 85-88% of the children qualified for free or reduced child care fees. A lot of those moms worked at low paying low skill jobs, were unmarried, had 2, 3 or 4 kids each from a different man. Those moms qualified for food stamps, reduced or free child care, their school age children qualified for reduced or free school lunches.

But it was odd that those same moms could afford to purchase cigarettes, go to tanning salons, get a manicure/pedicure and get their hair bleached, streaked, weaved, etc. Go figure.
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insider9909, Cushing (7/11/2009 5:12:26 PM)
With the exception of Check It Out, my earnest prayer is that each of you so-called christians have to live on Foodstamps and TANF for one week in your life. Damm you and your hard heart.
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Better Than, Tulsa (7/11/2009 6:10:39 PM)
I thank God we have been able to support ourselves without government assistance.
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Moses, Jenks (7/11/2009 6:21:07 PM)
It's all about the choices you make in your life.
Choose to stay in school, pay attention and get an education.
Choose not to have children until you can afford them. With the availability of birth control that shouldn't be too difficult.
Choose to go to work at a minimum wage job if you have to, prove you are responsible, show up for work on time clean and prepared to work and move on up to better jobs which pay better wages!
Life is what you make it!
If you're life is crap maybe you need to look in the mirror
It’s called “personal responsibility” and it’s a good thing!
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spd13151, Tulsa (7/11/2009 8:54:19 PM)
I agree with Moses: personal responsibility. Of course there are those who need temporary assistance because of a job loss, etc. But so many can't defer gratification, have kids before they are financially and emotionally ready. I agree with assistance in the form of education and training rather than cash payment.
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Aggie, (7/11/2009 11:04:23 PM)
How about some of us are unemployed, but we still won't belly up to the public trough. Private charity is admirable and desirable, but forcing another person to labor to support another is the definition of slavery. And if you don't think the government forces you to pay up, then try not paying your taxes or their fees and see what happens.
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Angry Citizen!, Bluejacket (7/11/2009 11:28:38 PM)
How's that public housing thing in Tulsa working out these days? I remember when 61st and Peoria was a nice part of town, a friend of mine told me it's the worst part of town these days- Alot of able bodied men with nothing to do but cause problems.
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KJNOKIE, TULSA (7/12/2009 1:13:33 AM)
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.

‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
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my view, Sand Springs (7/12/2009 1:14:33 AM)
insider9909,

The reason most don't rely on food stamps and TANF is because they made better choices in life, like finish high school.
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woodman, (7/12/2009 3:45:39 AM)
why bother to apply for help. the amount you get
say 17.00 a month is not worth the trouble
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woodman, (7/12/2009 3:50:30 AM)
all of you holier than though folks need to get a
grip. all the education in the the world cant change the facts. racism is alive an flourishing
in our fair city it dose not matter what you know or can do if you never get an opportunity.
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oldrustytulsa, Tulsa (7/12/2009 2:10:06 PM)
So it is finally coming out, that once you get on the DHS rolls, for their meager little assistance you have to give up a lot of personal information.And its a lot of trouble for a few dollars, they dont want to lose a client ,its job security.One thing leads to another. The DHS has got more help itself programs that its plumb ridiculous.Stay off of DHS rolls and get real Charity help from other sources.
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tried, (7/13/2009 12:51:46 PM)
I applied for medical assistance and food stamps many years ago when my then infant daughter needed open heart surgery.
We did get it but they sure made sure that I was as humiliated as could be before any benefits arrived.
The system is circutous and confusing to say the least.
It would not be worth it for me to ever try again. At the time I was desperate with no money coming in as I tried to keep my baby alive long enough for the surgery and then alive afterward.
There was no reason for the workers to be as rude and dismisive as they were.
Perhaps those who are falling on hard times now are trying to keep what morale they have and avoiding those who will trample it.
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FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/3/2009 9:32:00 PM)
I agree with rememberme, why apply for assistance of any kind when a person can go out an hustle and receive 4-5 times the amount of income welfare will give them. A little drug hustle here and there and hey you made more than a hard working family in a week. And if you get caught, so what. You take a little vacation and when you get out get right back in the game. After all that larceny from a retailer charge, drug charge, no insurance conviction and others will ensure no matter how much education and training you have, you won't ever get a decent job. So why should they care if they get caught and go to prison?

It would be a better return on our limited resources to help the poor get back on their feet in a legitimate way. Offering them skills and training, food and housing to bridge them into productive citizens. Than to treat them like lesser citizens offering them assistance that virtually force them into a life of crime and drug dealing to make ends meet. Either way we tax paying citizens pay the bill for others failures. We can either pay to help and give hope for a better future, or we can pay through the ever increasing decline of the quality of life in our communities and/or sending more mothers to prison and there children into foster care. either way we are going to pay.
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Elusive, the burbs (11/3/2009 9:45:45 PM)
Our welfare system is still messed up. It makes no sense to me that they leave single people out to starve. I understand how "Tried" feels. I am familiar with someone close to me that went to apply many years ago and it took much courage to do it. Her husband took off and left her with two babies, no car, no money, no food. They turned her down because they said she was married and the husband was suppose to take care of her. So, they left her to and her two kids to starve until she could get a divorce with no money. Doesn't make much sense does it?
 

 
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