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Nonsworn workers vote for layoffs


Poll: Layoffs preferred to salary cuts; firefighters summoned

Kathlene Sullivan, who works in the city's grants administration division, laughs as her ballot does not go down into an already filled box, as nonsworn employees vote Wednesday in a poll at the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees Local 1180. CORY YOUNG/Tulsa World
Kathlene Sullivan, who works in the city's grants administration division, laughs as her ballot does not go down into an already filled box, as nonsworn employees vote Wednesday in a poll at the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees Local 1180. CORY YOUNG/Tulsa World
Wednesday's opinion ballot for nonsworn city employees offered two choices.CourtesyKatie Garland, who works in the water distribution division of the city's Public Works Department, puts her vote in the ballot box, as nonsworn employees vote Wednesday in an opinion poll at the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees Local 1180. CORY YOUNG/Tulsa World

By BRIAN BARBER World Staff Writer


A total of 147 firefighters were summoned to a Friday meeting about layoff notifications Wednesday, the same day Mayor Dewey Bartlett said he will "honor the wishes" of the city's nonsworn employees and lay off workers rather than cut their salaries.



The nonsworn employees had indicated in a union poll Wednesday that they overwhelmingly prefer layoffs over salary cuts.

Tulsa Firefighters Local 176 President Stan May confirmed the Friday meeting with affected firefighters.

Bartlett has scheduled a Thursday morning meeting with his department heads to discuss layoff procedures. He told the Tulsa World late Wednesday that he was not aware that Fire Chief Allen LaCroix had set up the firefighter meeting but that the chief was being proactive about what appears "imminent."

"We've had talks this week with the union, but at this point we are too far apart," the mayor said. "I would anticipate there also will be a similar meeting with affected police officers, unless something major happens."

The 147 figure is higher than the 130 firefighter layoffs that had been discussed. That is because the city has gone further into the month with budget talks than expected, so the projected shortfall has grown.

Bartlett said he expects that the original police officer layoff number of 135 has swelled, as well.

Of the city's roughly 2,400 nonsworn employees, 729 cast ballots in the poll Wednesday, and 533 of them — or 73 percent — were in favor of the layoff
route. Their choice was between 65 layoffs or 5.2 percent across-the-board salary cuts.

"It's not something I want to go through with, but I've said all along that the decision is in the employees' hands," Bartlett said.

Bartlett sat down Wednesday with leaders from both of Tulsa's public safety unions for discussions about their counterproposals to his recommended salary cuts and benefit concessions that would prevent layoffs.

The mayor said talks will continue even if layoff notifications go out to employees. He has maintained that the layoff-notification process could begin as early as Friday.

Laid-off employees must be given seven days' notice that they no longer will be on the payroll, and Bartlett's budget reductions are supposed to take effect Feb. 1.

"Every day we wait is tens of thousands of dollars," he said.

The nonsworn vote: Long lines stretched down the hallway of the downtown headquarters of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 1180 throughout the day as employees waited to cast their votes.

"This is a hot-button issue," AFSCME President Bill Roland said. "Everyone wants to have their say because of the impact it will have on them and their families."

Most of Tulsa's 2,400 nonsworn employees are under the union's umbrella. But even the 300 or so who are not unionized were allowed to participate in the poll.

Roland said he wasn't surprised by the poll's results.

"They've already taken hits to their paychecks, and they are saying enough is enough," he said.

Robert Eeten, a Public Works Department plant maintenance supervisor, said he voted for the layoffs.

"I've got 28 years in," he said. "This could really affect my retirement. I certainly don't want to see anyone lose their jobs, but I can't do it."

With eight unpaid furlough days, Eeten and the city's other employees effectively took a 3.1 percent pay cut at the start of the year.

Willie Holbrook, a Public Works Department construction inspector, has been with the city since 1982.

"I make a pretty good wage," he said, "but a lot of people make less than I do who can't take another pay cut. When you take a cut, you don't ever get it back when you consider inflation and the cost of insurance going up."

The union's poll Wednesday was not a formal vote because the salary-cut proposal was not formally negotiated with leadership and nonunion members were allowed to participate.

Bartlett said he believes that he could proceed with the salary cuts but that "a vote was held; they took the time to weigh in with their opinions; and we need to respect it."

The salary cuts would have saved $1.25 million and prevented 65 layoffs from across several city departments.

As Bartlett has worked to trim a total of $10.4 million from the city's general fund, 79 nonsworn vacant positions have been eliminated.

Police and fire in limbo: The members of Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 93 met Wednesday evening but did not take any votes, because the union is still having discussions with the mayor.

Police are facing layoffs or 7.5 percent pay cuts plus benefit concessions, as suggested by the mayor last week.

Bartlett also had presented firefighters with an option: take 8.6 percent pay cuts and make benefit concessions or see firefighters laid off.

The mayor can't cut police and firefighter pay without their unions' consent.

Bartlett said he was not certain the different unions "grasp the seriousness of our financial situation."

"When I've said that we'll have to do layoffs, I think some have maybe seen that as a negotiating tactic, but it's not," he said "It's the reality of where we are with the budget, unfortunately."


Brian Barber 581-8322
brian.barber@tulsaworld.com

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okkevin, Tulsa (8 months ago)
Come on Mr. Kaiser...save the day
Dezigner, Tulsa (8 months ago)
Let's see if the Mayor will negotiate....I have a funny feeling he won't.
Twilight in Paris, near the water in SE OK (8 months ago)
It is weird that graduated paycuts would be considered 'treating employees differently' and could allow someone to sue!!!

It is true that if you cut someone who makes more, you will save more, but I still find it sad that it would cause more problems then solving.
SRV, (8 months ago)
How about Susan Neal's $85,000 salary? What does she do for $85,000!?
Tulsa Time22, Broken Arrow (8 months ago)
Mr. Kaiser imformed the Mayor that he would give a donation to get the city ouf of this problem but the Mayor declined his help? Now why would the Mayor decline? Come on Tulsa World start asking the Mayor the hard questions!!!!
im4osu, Broken Arrow (8 months ago)
NO NEGOTIATIONS....police or fire.
my view, Sand Springs (8 months ago)
While their negotiating the police budget will be cut, police management will have to lay off.

A donation from the Kaiser foundation would have to be provided every year. Tulsa needs a long term fix not a short term.
Shooter, Tulsa (8 months ago)
Tulsa Time22
I heard that rumor too. I would be interested to know why Mayor Bartlett would not accept this donation, unless his true motive was to bust the unions and make the Police and Fire Depts take big financial hits.

My View the PD has stated in previous articles that they just need some help to make it to June when they are apparently going to have a large amount of retirements. Kaiser wouldnt have to do that every year just this one time. Bartlett seems to turn down every option other than massive pay cuts or layoffs.
QLC, (8 months ago)
Mr kaiser's money would be wasted, and better spent as he has been doing for many years. Thank you Mr. Kaiser!
Thunder196, Tulsa (8 months ago)
I think there may have been some stubbornness on both sides, but they should both be beyond that now. The mayor and FOP have to work together in order for a plan to work. Make it work.
tbgalileo, Tulsa (8 months ago)
my view, it seem that the Mayor's primary concern is the timing of everything. No, a Kaiser donation would not be permanent, but it would give the powers that be considerably more time to review all available options rather than making rash cuts that will permanently downgrade the level of police and fire services in Tulsa.

But, I'm not sure it matters. When I hear this mayor speak, it seems that "permanent solution" = massive paycuts. Nothing else will do, even if it is a better solution than gutting paychecks.
Verysecure, tulsa (8 months ago)
A couple of ideas that nobody has suggested would be a dollar ser-charge on ticket sales for all area concerts. I know that I would pay it. What is happening to all of the money that the city is collecting for parking at all of these events? We go to all of the Talons games and the price for parking jumped at least 5 dollars in the last year.
irwindale, Tulsa (8 months ago)
Tulsa PD and the FOP have no regard for Tulsa let alone having any Tulsa pride.
Dezigner, Tulsa (8 months ago)
uh.....the Mayor is union busting....it's pretty obvious.
Mar, Tulsa (8 months ago)
I believe Mayor Bartlett in December requested for TPD and TFD and the rest of the city department heads to come up with 2.2% and 4.4% reduction plans that were viable and could be done in a timely manner. TPD and TFD didn't seem to want to participate. Then when TPD did, the only plan the TPD seemed to come up with via Chief Palmer was stealing the money from the trash fund.

TPD is acting like the mayor didn't want to work with them, when in reality it was the other way around.

Mr. Kaiser is not obligated to give money to the city to alieve the budget deficit. What about the next fiscal year? Hit Kaiser up again? Basically several comments about Kaiser helping out seems like wealth envy.

Another thing I find rather funny. You people complaining about some of the city employee's pay, like Susan Neal, etc. What would be your attitude if YOU were the one working as a city employee making $85,000 a year? Oh well, now that's a horse of a different color, isn't it? yep.
Shooter, Tulsa (8 months ago)
irwindale
Has is it that the TPD or the FOP have no regard for Tulsa or any Tulsa pride?? Because the dont want to have their salary cut by over 12 percent?? The 7.5 percent pay cut is off their pay the other "concessions" that the Mayor wants to downplay is about 5 percent of the salary. That 12 percent is far more than other city employees, except the TFD they are taking about the same amount of a hit.

I dont know of anyone who would take a 12.5 percent cut in pay and just smile about and go on, especially when other options have been presented. The Mayor and Terry Simonson (the Brains behind the operation) only want to talk about massive pay cuts or layoffs PERIOD!!

I know many Tulsa PD Officers that have lived in Tulsa their whole life, and care a great deal about this city even whens it citizens like you dont care about them!!
cobweb, (8 months ago)
The union sucks. The cops are great.
tbgalileo, Tulsa (8 months ago)
"Let's see some massive layoffs and teach the FOP and TFOP a lesson. "

Yup, that's pretty much what this whole thing is about. Petty, childish revenge and paypack, pure and simple. Any genuine public safety concern is a far distant second priority for the city government.
actuallyeducated, Tulsa (8 months ago)
New York has about 200-300 citizens per police officer. Tulsa has about 400-500 per police officer. New York, Seattle, San Fransisco all safer places to live than Tulsa and not to mention safer places to work as a police officer. Tulsa doesn't need layoffs, in fact, Tulsa needs many more police officers, our department is already under-staffed compared to larger cities.

Part of the problem with Tulsa is that we have some police officers who became officers because it is a job with a pay check and not because they were called to do it.

Tulsan's are going to have to pay more property tax eventually if we want a safe and beautiful city and that is the bottom line.
hthomas, Tulsa (8 months ago)
how about some sales tax audits to see if Tulsa businesses are paying the taxes they are collecting and the OTC to make sure Tulsa is getting ALL that is due from the OTC.
sojournertruth, (8 months ago)
The mayor has been mayor for a very short time. The previous mayor was the one that attempted to put a bandaid on a hemorrhaging incision. To all those that think you can get out of this huge deficit by doing nothing....did you work for CITI or AIG, sounds like their philosophy and come tax time, if you want to help, pay more, the city and state will gladly take more. DON'T itemize. The City of Tulsa, needs to learn to do more with less, take a lesson from schools!
Mar, Tulsa (8 months ago)
Shooter,

I'm not against the TPD or TFD. What I was saying is they didn't seem willing back in December to come up with "viable" plans the mayor could consider. This has all dragged on for a month unnecessarily.

Shooter stated: "Seriously do you even think before you type or do you just type whatever comes to mind whether it be true or not?? ..."

Jason Collington, in a prior comment board you reminded people not to ridicule other people that make comments. Is that for this comment board also? If so, Shooter slammed me. I guess I'm not allowed to voice my opinion. :(
hthomas, Tulsa (8 months ago)
no taxpayer provided vehicles for any police, no matter if they live in the city limits or not.
BettyRubble918, Tulsa (8 months ago)
actuallyedu-"San Fransisco all safer places to live than Tulsa"

I take it your never heard of the Bologna family gunned down around a year ago in SanFran-hardly a "safe place" out there on the left coast.
swandog, Haskell (8 months ago)
Tulsans were willing to vote for a third penny sales tax years ago to fund road and infrastructure repairs...they were willing to vote for a tax to fund 2025 to build a downtown and build an arena and make various downtown and county improvements. A modest street improvement package was passed to further accelerate road improvements. Then why are they not willing to pass a 1/4 or 1/2 penny or whatever it takes sales tax to fund these basic services? The GOP lackeys in the area act as if the TPD and TFD are overpaid and that they could get parking lot security guards to do the same kind of job at half the pay. These are public security professionals, with education and training that cannot be easily replaced. Tulsa does not need the least common denominator running these vital services to the city. Voters get what they vote for, and what they pay for. Public safety on the cheap will cost more in the long run, both in lives and property values. People already refer to Tulsa as "Thugtown." Do they really want to make matters worse. No doubt if Kathy Taylor had ran again and returned to office, she would have probably wanted to get a 1/3 or quarter penny sales tax going just for public safety...somepeople care about that commmunity. It is obvious that others don't!
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