Basil, Tulsa (11/9/2009 7:40:18 AM)

Muslims aren't our enemy, but the ideology of Islam does create a valid threat to freedom and the American way of life. A rational backlash against this fascist ideology is reasonable, but we should view Muslims partly as victims to the deception of this false-relgion, rather than enemies. They are to be pitied, prayed for, and engaged to help them see through the false claims of Mohammed, to see the true nature of Islam seen in the fruit it produces worldwide and throughout history, and to understand God's true nature, as a God of love and mercy toward sinners, not a god who condones murder and violence.

true2form, Grand Lake (11/9/2009 8:13:58 AM)

The independent Senator is again looking for something to make himself "feel relevant".

my view, Sand Springs (11/9/2009 8:44:17 AM)

true2form,

Who are you trying to kid, yourself Senator Lieberman is relevent? Both sides are working hard to keep him in their fold.

Just keep doing what the left is good at, that's spin and half truths.

FinallyDebtFree, Broken Arrow (11/9/2009 12:36:10 PM)

He is not a terrorist, simply a coward taking advantage of a loophole provided by his religion. Christians have an unforgivable sin in suicide, since you can't ask forgiveness until after you commit the sin. Unfortunately there is that little problem of being dead and unable to ask. This guy is disenchanted with his life, wanted to take the cowardly way out, and tried (unsuccessfully) to commit suicide by cop, while taking out some infidels. In his belief, an act rewardable in the afterlife.

There is no reason to spend what will prove to be a significant amount of manpower and money to conclude he is nothing more than a coward, unwilling to do his job, and honor his part of a contract.

Help prevent global warming by unplugging whatever equipment he is still attached to.

Basil, Tulsa (11/9/2009 12:44:17 PM)

He used the corrupt justifications that Islam offers to justify his actions, to be sure, but it seems to be something he was thinking about for awhile. He just took sides in the fight and declared war on us here, before being deployed to fight against his Muslims brothers in Afganistan.

true2form, Grand Lake (11/9/2009 2:04:50 PM)

my view,
The Senator has strategically placed himself where he is so he can be pandered to by both sides of the aisle.
Why the Democrats continue to placate him after all his false promises and turn abouts defies logic.
The Republicans,on the other hand,stand much to gain from his past and present posturing for their agenda.
The man is simply another DC media whore who just needs to go away.

myownguy, Tulsa (11/9/2009 3:14:55 PM)

Little late to be checking on his ties to Islamic links.

Ron B, (11/9/2009 4:16:08 PM)

It astounds me that we train young men to fire weapons, then do not allow them to carry a sidearm on a military base. It took a civilian officer to end the killing. Had all those soldiers been packing, there might have been a couple of people hit before they reacted with deadly force, and this piece of trash would be with his buddy mohammed.

MarkG, Broken Arrow (11/9/2009 4:46:51 PM)

Political correctness is going to get more Americans killed if we don’t stop this PC absurdity. This radical Islamic goon that massacred thirteen American soldiers and shot scores of others was driven by his Islamic religious fanaticism. He is the poster child for those radical Muslims who teach hate and violence against Jews, Christians and non-Muslims. Islam is not a peaceful religion.

If it were, ½ the Muslims population would not be trying to destroy Jews, Christians and non-Muslims and the other half would not be making excuses for the other ½ that are. While not all Muslims are terrorist, the vast majority of terrorist are Muslims. Sorry if that offends, but murdering anyone in the in the name of Allah offends all peace loving people.

BarefootOkieGal, Sacramento (11/9/2009 6:27:03 PM)

I'm just not buying the fact that the man acted entirely out of religious beliefs, and that he considered himself a potential martyr to his faith. Truly, the man seemed to have many issues in his life that could have led to this, and it seems that most people can only focus on one aspect: his religious faith. I've not read everything about him, but he doesn't seem to have been the most stable man to begin with.

Also, I'm getting tired of people saying that all Muslims are terrorists, or that most Muslims are terrorists, or that most terrorists are Muslims, and what-all. I live around, work with, and know many Muslims and all of them are just as freaked out by current events as I am. At least I don't have to worry that someone is going to point a finger at me and assume that I'm dangerous to other people because of my religion.

And while we're talking about dangerous religions... anyone remember the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre when the Catholic church went hog-wild on a bunch of Protestants in France? Pope Gregory XIII had frescos painted in the Vatican so he could enjoy the whole thing over and over again. Anywhere from 5,000 to 30,000 people died there - and everyone, the killers and the dead, were Christians. How about the Lord's Army in Uganda? Whew! Some nasty stuff going on there in the name of Christianity. Then there was Guy Fawkes, who wanted to blow people up - he was a Christian, as were the folks he wanted to blow up. The Troubles in Ireland - all Christians killing other Christians. Let's not forget the killing of 6,000,000 Jews and approximately 5,000,000 "other undesirables" by the very country which gave us Martin Luther. Right here in America we have lovelies like the Christian Patriots (offshoots of which have given us Ruby Ridge and Waco) and Concerned Christians (not the Mormon outreach, which is pretty benign, but the really wacky ones) and "The Order" (aka "Silent Brotherhood" and the Ku Klux Klan... and those are only the groups that have ORGANIZED!!!

I think the only thing keeping some of the posters here from being a Christian Terrorist group is (a) they aren't organized, and (b) they feel safe spewing hate on-line but would be scared to death to say word one in public, lest a decent human being might look at them in such a way to remind them that they are scum.

MarkG, Broken Arrow (11/9/2009 8:37:18 PM)

Barefoot - I frankly don't care if your tired of hearing the truth. You're a fool and I think it's pretty disgusting that you make excuses for this Islamic radical terrorist.

Have you ever read the Koran? It's pretty clear what Muslims think of Christians, Jews and Non-Muslims and what "Good Muslims"should be doing to the infidels.

P.S. When was the last time you heard a sermom in a mainstream Christian or Synagogue that called for killing anyone in the name of Jesus?

Mr. Brown, Kanagawa, Japan (11/9/2009 8:48:41 PM)

She hasn't, MarkG, (and won't)but that isn't gonna stop people from burying their heads in the sand and pretending that he could've just yelled an Islamic battle cry prior to shooting people because he was angry about something unrelated to
his religion.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/9/2009 8:57:19 PM)

If that's the case sr, then there is no doubt in my mind he was an infiltrator=traitor. USCMJ should deal with him appropriately. Give him the best medical care available. Traitors should always be tried.

FUTURE WORLD, Tulsa (11/9/2009 9:04:28 PM)

Thanks sr, I wish more would provide links.

Basil, Tulsa (11/10/2009 8:44:07 AM)

"There are millions of Muslims in this country who don't advocate what this Muslim did."

Yes, Dusty, but their religion supports his actions, even if some Muslims state that they find his actions to be horrific. Not all Muslims embrace Islamic ideology completely, but those who are serious about spreading their false religion, become a threat to our safety, because their religion does permit deceit, violence, intimidation, and supremecy all in an effort to force everyone to bow to Islam.

Basil, Tulsa (11/10/2009 9:15:56 AM)

Taqiyya(pronounced tark-e-ya)--the Islamic teaching of "holy deception" dating back to the 6th century, which offically justifies deceiving others to conceal your true intent. This practice is firmly rooted in the Koran and Hadith.

This totally violates our Christian value of honesty, but we've got to be wise enough to see through any deceit some Muslims may use against us. Who is the father of lies? It's satan himself--which should give us a clue as to from where Islamic teachings were derived. While it's true all men are capable of deceit and lies, including many Christians, it is actually officially justified within Islamic teachings, which reveals something about what's in the heart of Islam.

Welcome to America !, Claremore (11/10/2009 9:41:38 AM)

Amazing !

BarefootOkieGal, Sacramento (11/10/2009 11:02:08 AM)

Hardball - my city and location sum me up, do they? I've also lived in the best areas of Sacramento, as well as an exclusive gated neighborhood in Jacksonville, FL. Your summation based on my current geographics is an example of someone taking a couple of known facts and running with them.

Mark G. I'm not a fool. I've got an IQ of 158 and have read just about every book I can get my hand on, including numerous religious writings of all types. I've read the Koran and can tell you that, despite the quotes that are taken out of context, Islam is NOT a religion based on violence any more than Christianity is - and you can go into your Bible and find just as many scriptures that true fools could twist and use as evidence that Christianity is inherently a violent religion.

I see that the attacks are starting - what on earth does my geographic location have to do with my character or intelligence? Ignorant people using meaningless "facts" to "prove" their arguments. Well, that's what I've come to expect from people who can't think for themselves.

Basil, Tulsa (11/10/2009 12:06:33 PM)

Barefoot,

The Koran is complied from longest book to shortest, rather than chronologically, but when it comes to interpreting the conflicting messages written by Mohammed in it, you should know that Muslims believe that the teachings in the chronologically later verses, written in Medina, supercede those written earlier.

So, although there are a few verses that speak of peace and mercy toward unbelievers in the Koran, they are all superceded through abrogation by the violent messages he wrote while in Medina, calling for conversion by the sword.

BarefootOkieGal, Sacramento (11/10/2009 1:14:18 PM)

Basil - I'm sure that Muslims, like Christians, can pick and choose through the Koran to support almost whatever position they choose to take. There are people who use the Bible to justify atrocities. Those are Christian terrorists. Any Muslim who uses the Koran to justify attrocities is a Muslim terrorist. But I refuse to tar every Muslim I know with the brush of "terrorist." When I was younger and the Americans were being held hostage in Iran, I knew a large number of Iranian students in colleges over here who were as horrified by the events as everyone else I knew. They didn't agree with the extremists who were causing trouble. Sacramento has a large Muslim community. They encourage anyone who has any questions about their beliefs of teachings to come on in and ask questions and engage in sincere discussion. The Muslims I know are as horrified by the killings at Ft. Hood as I am, and that is why the Muslim community spoke out against it publicly. I am no more willing to write of all Muslims as terrorists due to the actions of the extremists than I am to condemn all Christians because of the IRA or the Ku Klux Klan.

But then again - I'm an ignorant fool who lives in the wrong part of town so I am not worthy of being taken seriously.

Basil, Tulsa (11/10/2009 2:44:52 PM)

No, that's not what I'm suggesting. All men, including those from the middle and far east, are created in God's holy image, but it's the teachings of Islam itself that are the problem. I am in no way demonizing those men and women who've been deceived by Islam--they deserve pity, not judgement, but the religion itself can be judged by its fruit and its message, which is undeniably one full of hate and violence. There are some virtues hailed by Islam, but they aren't unique to it. They are values shared by those of many faiths, so one does not have to be Muslim to be modest--in fact, the legalism imposed on women my Islam is often counter-productive in encouraging purity, since legalism always lead to rebellion by many individuals.

Basil, Tulsa (11/10/2009 3:08:20 PM)

Barefoot,

There is a vast difference between Islamic terrorism and the violence committed by the KKK and IRA. It's really comparing apples to oranges.

The violence committed by Muslims is supported by their "holy" texts, the Koran and Hadith. There are many references from those works that encourage and offically sanction violence against non-Muslims; whereas, you will not find a single text in the New Testament which calls for anything except limitless forgiveness, love of neighbor, and self-sacrifice for others. The New Testament is the book that defines Christians belief, and has become the key to understanding the prophesies and symbolism of the old law recorded in the Old Testament. Christ has said, "A new commandement I give to you, that you love one another." This is the core or heart of the gospel of Jesus Christ. What is at the core or heart of Mohammed's teachings?

BarefootOkieGal, Sacramento (11/10/2009 3:48:09 PM)

The only point that I'm trying to make is that not ALL Muslims consider it their holy duty to make war upon Christians or anyone else. There are people in ALL religions who justify their actions by their interpretation of their holy writings. When I read the teachings of some violent people who call themselves Christians, I don't see a whole lot of Jesus' teachings in there. Jesus would condemn much of the violence done in His name.

The New Testament concludes with The Relevation of St. John, which includes a description of the final war between good and evil. There are many, MANY Christians who believe fully that they know exactly whom God has determined to destroy, and there are Christians who proceed with their own personal Armageddon, targeting whichever group they feel is particularly deserving of death. God's going to get rid of homosexuality? Well, let's kill homosexuals! God's going to get rid of abortion? Well, let's kill abortion doctors! It's what God wants us to do!

If anyone here wants to believe that all Muslims believe they are commanded by God to kill all Christians, well, you can go ahead and believe it. Heck, some people think chickens have lips...

BarefootOkieGal, Sacramento (11/10/2009 3:51:08 PM)

BTW - if the violence committed by Muslims is condoned by their holy writings, then why are they coming out of the woodwork to condemn this act of violence? You'd think they'd be as proud to thump the Koran as good Christians who kill are happy to point to the Bible scripture and verse that justifies (in their eyes) their actions. If what is being done is truly in the spirit of Islam, then why are so many Muslims speaking out against it?

But then again, I'm a dork who lives in a poor part of town, and wouldn't know a terrorist plot if it jumped up and bit me in the bohunkus.

Basil, Tulsa (11/10/2009 6:32:32 PM)

Many Muslims have a Muslim cultural identity, like many American's have a Christian identity, while not fully understanding its teachings. Many Muslims may not fully embrace all of the teachings of the Koran and Hadith, and have no desire to wage war against non-Muslims, but if they ever desire it, the false-justifications for lying, murder, and other violence are contained in their unholy writings, which rationally could be censored as hate speech, since they contain calls for violence against, women, Jews, and non-Muslims.

These calls for murder and violence aren't being twisted, as some twist the Christian scriptures to condone violence, as in the cases you mentioned, but are straight forward exhortations to murder to please allah, and gain a reward in heaven.