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Update: The Maricopa County (Arizona) Sheriff's Office on Thursday questioned a training claim made by Reserve Deputy Robert Bates in the aftermath of a fatal shooting.
In a statement that the 73-year-old reserve deputy gave the sheriff's office following the fatal shooting of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2, Bates noted he had taken "active shooter training" from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office.
Lisa Allen, chief media relations office for the sheriff's office there, said they had no record of Bates attending their training.
In fact, Allen said, that training is only available to members of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, meaning Bates would not have been eligible. The class, Allen said, has only been offered three times.
"We don't allow out-of-state people to take the class," she said. "I'm only surmising, and I can't confirm this because this would not have been our class, but our active shooter instructor did travel to Dallas once to teach a class.
"Maybe he took that class and is saying he took it through us, but again, that would not have been our class, so we have no way to verify if he attended it or not."
In Bates’ seven-page statement to Tulsa County sheriff’s investigators, obtained by the World on Wednesday, the reserve deputy states he previously attended a five-day homicide investigation school in Dallas and received “active shooter response training” by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.
Update: The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office announced early Thursday it will conduct an internal review of the deputy reserve program.
The announcement comes just two weeks after 73-year-old Reserve Deputy Robert Bates fatally shot Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.
"As with any critical incident, we are doing an internal review of our program and policy to determine if any changes need to take place," Tulsa County sheriff's Maj. Shannon Clark said.
Clark addressed the Tulsa World's story in which sources said sheriff's office supervisors were reassigned for not falsifying Bates' training documents, telling NBC News: "The media outlet that is putting that information out is using unconfirmed sources and also relying on anonymity. We don't respond to rumor."
Below is the Tulsa World story that appeared in the Thursday morning print edition and online
Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.
At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.
Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.
The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.
An attorney for Harris’ family also raised questions about the authenticity of Bates’ training records.
Additionally, Sheriff Stanley Glanz told a Tulsa radio station this week that Bates had been certified to use three weapons, including a revolver he fired at Harris. However, Glanz said the Sheriff’s Office has not been able to find the paperwork on those certifications.
The sheriff’s deputy that certified Bates has moved on to work for the Secret Service, Glanz said during the radio interview.
“We can’t find the records that she supposedly turned in,” Glanz said. “So we are going to talk to her to find out if for sure he’s been qualified with those (weapons).”
Undersheriff Tim Albin was unavailable for comment Wednesday but in an earlier interview, Albin said he was unaware of any concerns expressed by supervisors about Bates’ training.
The Sheriff’s Office has released a summary listing training courses Bates had been given credit for but have not released documents showing which supervisors signed off on that training.
He rejected claims that Bates’ training records were falsified and that supervisors who refused to do so were transferred to less desirable assignments.
“The training record speaks for itself. I have absolutely no knowledge of what you are talking about,” Albin said. “There aren’t any secrets in law enforcement. Zero. Those types of issues would have come up.”
During a press conference Friday, Capt. Bill McKelvey and Tulsa Police Sgt. Jim Clark, a consultant hired by the county, also said they were unaware of concerns about Bates’ training.
The World has requested records showing which supervisors signed off on Bates’ training. An attorney for the Sheriff’s Office declined to provide them, saying the matter is under investigation.
Bates, a wealthy Tulsa insurance executive, turned himself in Tuesday after being charged on Monday in Harris’ death. He is free on $25,000 bond.
Harris was shot and killed during an undercover operation the Sheriff’s Violent Crimes Task Force was conducting. Harris, according to the sheriff’s office, had previously sold methamphetamine to undercover deputies and was in the act of selling them a stolen gun.
As deputies moved in to make the arrest, Harris bolted from the truck and ran, pursued by deputies until they brought him to the ground. Bates shot Harris while he was on the ground and immediately said, “Oh, I shot him! I’m sorry.”
The Sheriff’s Office has said Bates is typically in a support role assisting the task force. He told investigators he meant to stun Harris with a Taser but accidentally shot him with a handgun instead.
Bates was classified by the Sheriff’s Office as an “advanced reserve.” That means Bates would have had to complete 480 hours of the “Field Training Officer,” or FTO, program to maintain that classification.
Dan Smolen, who represents Harris’ family, said Wednesday that he believes Bates’ field training records were falsified and that they no longer exist.
The Sheriff’s Office previously said Bates had joined the reserve deputy force in 2008. However, Bates, in a statement he gave the Sheriff’s Office following Harris’ shooting, said he became an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.
The cause of that discrepancy is unclear.
In Bates’ seven-page statement to Tulsa County sheriff’s investigators, obtained by the World on Wednesday, the reserve deputy states he previously attended a five-day homicide investigation school in Dallas and received “active shooter response training” by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in Arizona.
Bates said in the statement that he had been involved in “at least 100 other” assignments, such as the undercover operation planned on April 2.
In that statement, Bates said he contacted a task force member on April 1 to ask if there was a “pending operation” he could assist with.
The task force member informed Bates of the plan to have an undercover officer buy a gun from Harris the following day.
Officials said Harris could have faced up to life in prison for selling the firearm because he had prior felony convictions.
During a briefing hours before the shooting, Bates said he was informed that Harris was “a bad son of a b----” who had gang affiliations.
Deputies in attendance were told Harris was known to carry a gun and to consider him armed and dangerous.
During a press conference last week, a consultant hired by the Sheriff’s Office pointed to several scenes from the recorded video of Harris’ shooting.
The consultant said the still images from the video showed why pursuing deputies would be concerned that Harris had a gun in his pants as he fled.
Bates mentioned this in his statement as well, noting he believed that Harris was running “in an unusual way,” touching his right hand to his waistband.
It was later determined that Harris did not have a gun on his body when he was tackled and shot. The video shows his arms flailing as he runs.
Undersheriff Tim Albin has said the video cuts off after Harris was shot because the camera battery died. The video was filmed on a “sunglasses cam” purchased by Bates for the task force.
Bates was Glanz’s 2012 re-election campaign manager and also was named reserve deputy of the year in 2011.
He has purchased five automobiles for the task force. Bates and other task force members drive the vehicles, which the Sheriff’s Office equipped with lights and other police equipment.
In his statement, Bates said he was unsure if the pursuing deputy would catch the fleeing Harris. So Bates said he grabbed his pepper-ball launcher, a “less lethal” device meant to incapacitate much in the same way as pepper spray.
Bates said as he approached the scuffle, he thought he noticed Harris again reaching for his waistband. At this point, while two additional deputies were subduing Harris, Bates said he saw a “very brief opening” in which he could hit Harris with a Taser.
Bates noted “thinking I have to deploy it rapidly, as I still thought there was a strong possibility Harris had a gun on him.”
At that point, as is evident in the video, Bates stated “Taser! Taser!” then fired one shot, striking Harris below the right arm.
Bates stated in his account that the time from which Harris was tackled by one deputy to the time Bates fired the fatal shot was “only about 5 to 10 seconds.”
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226 comments:
James Suddath posted at 8:01 pm on Sat, Apr 18, 2015.
Relax, government entities investigate themselves all of the time. It's how they ensure transparency/secrecy/public confidence, etc. Upon conclusion of their self-investigation, they should be able to explain the whole thing away and just in time for the next round of campaign fund raising.
John Wesley posted at 8:59 am on Fri, Apr 17, 2015.
I've been wondering that myself. [thumbup]
John Wesley posted at 8:57 am on Fri, Apr 17, 2015.
His CONVICTIONS:
Unauthorized Use Of A Vehicle, Escape From State Penitentiary, Escape From State Penitentiary, Larceny Of Merchandise From Retailer/Afcf/Felony, Knowingly Concealing Stolen Property/Afcf/Felony, Robbery W/A Dangerous Weapon/Felony Afcf, Assault And Battery On A Police/Law Officer Afcf X2, Robbery Or Attempted W/Dangerous Weapon
Ron Hill posted at 11:13 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I am DELIGHTED that you are reading my comments so carefully Drudge![beam]
tony lowery posted at 11:11 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
How big is this clown car? We knew what was coming after two officers swore they never heard the gun shot. Two feet away and a .38 is fired and they did not hear the shot. For this to be true these two would be legally deaf and medically unfit to be deputies. When you start a cover-up do not start with Larry and Curly leadind the pack...when Mo was the shooter. You instantly have no credibility and insult reasonable people with a self investigation. Does Texas need another reason to laugh at our expense?
vickie williams posted at 10:44 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Letting them investigate themselves? How about letting all then criminals being charged with a crime investigate themselves....makes sence to me. This going to be a circus, send in the clowns[beam]
Lonnie Lamb posted at 10:42 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The actual event sounds like a tragic accident. It is what led up to it, and the response by the TCSO that is becoming the issue.
A quick look at other reserve officers on the books would be something to look into before it is changed, or the records are lost.
Lonnie Lamb posted at 10:33 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ziva, It might be a good idea to take at look at other reserve officers.
grant holm posted at 10:11 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Mr Bates looks eerily like Dick Cheney[thumbdown][ohmy]
Frank Kennedy posted at 9:58 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I understand that police officers and deputies have to be gun certified on an annual basis. Can the Sheriff's office produce the qualification certification documents for Robert Bates for the last three years? This situation stinks to high heaven, and now the Sheriff wants his own department to investigate itself? What could possibly go wrong with that arrangement? The county commissioners need to get control of this situation, for Stanley Glanz at this point has no credibility.
Ron Hill posted at 9:38 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Thanks for the [thumbup] ray!!![smile]
Dave McGee posted at 9:37 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
ronhill: if it is so despicable to be "enjoying this" why did you gleefully advise everyone earlier to "grab the popcorn"? Oh, wait, that's right, I forgot: you're a hypocrite.
Ron Hill posted at 9:36 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Chang, if you disagree with me, then why are you giving me all those [thumbup]s?
Ron Hill posted at 9:35 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Cindy, there is some truth to that first paragraph. There is no truth to your second paragraph...
Ron Hill posted at 9:33 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Shilman, since liberal Big Government is the source of the corruption, then this certainly is a "liberal" issue, and a consequence of the destructive nature of Big Government...
Ron Hill posted at 9:30 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Thank you for admitting you acted like a three-year old who had a nerve touched Drudge, I agree. But your apology, you can keep...
grant holm posted at 9:29 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
TW have you asked county commisioners how the Sherrifs office got out of their control?
Ron Hill posted at 9:28 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I was feebly attempting humor also...[sad]
Dave McGee posted at 9:22 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Well, I can't speak for famous Drudge, but I, for one, was worried about you as I would with any three-year-old who hadn't taken his meds. That's what responsible adults do. You'll learn that someday...I hope. Now if we can only figure out why you are so obsessed over the legendary Drudge that you keep addressing him in your posts.
Cindy Keith posted at 9:14 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
It was a feeble attempt at humor after several days of disgust. I apologize for looking for a little relief from the disgusting behavior of trusted officers of the law and your incessant misrepresentation. I promise never again to use juvenile humor when posting on this story if you promise to stop misrepresenting the truth.
gary witt posted at 8:41 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Christians MUST be audited ALL the times. They just to seem to have no fear of earthly consequences for their miscreant behavior.
gary witt posted at 8:39 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Another example of Christian men acting like the heathens they so love to skewer. God fearing folk just acting awful.
Marsha shilman posted at 8:32 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Guess there is no credible response. Sad but true
Ray Chiang posted at 7:52 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
enjoying watching regressives who voted for these crooks twisting in the wind
Ray Chiang posted at 7:50 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Broken record bad song
Marsha shilman posted at 7:19 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
You seem to be missing the point. This is not a "liberal" vs "conservative" or a "democrat" vs "republican" issue. It is an integrity issue and if you can't recognize that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Ron Hill posted at 7:12 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Any solutions from the liberals with their panties in a wad?
Anything? Raise taxes? More abortions perhaps? Empty the prisons? Legalize drugs? Wealth redistribution? Shut down the churches?
Crickets....
Ron Hill posted at 7:10 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
So you are enjoying all this?
#despicable
Ron Hill posted at 7:09 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Clearly I touched a nerve with you Drudge. I am pleased that you think about me throughout the day....[smile]
Dave McGee posted at 6:45 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
ronhill: a couple of hours have passed and you missed a few more opportunities to post something about Big Government. Slacking off or did you finally get your meds?
michael york posted at 6:00 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
from the state that brings you Sally Kern - more idiots - by the truckload!
Charles Shumate posted at 5:57 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I have a question. I have no idea whether such records still exist, but.......
CNN reported that Bates was a TPD officer from January, '64 until January, '65. That's 1 year. The "Rookie" year. According to CNN, Bates has stated that he left the TPD at the end of 1 year because there was no money in police work.
I knew there was no money in police work before I became a cop. It didn't take me my rookie year to figure it out. I don't know of any cop I ever worked with who got into the job because of the fabulous salary.....especially back in '64-'65.
At the end of a TPD officers rookie year he/she is given a final evaluation. Those who simply don't have what it takes to do the job can be dismissed prior to finishing their rookie year and before they are covered by Civil Service rules and become much more difficult to get rid of.
My question....does anyone know, or can anyone access the ancient '64-'65 records to see, if Bates truly quit the TPD; or, was he terminated at the end of his rookie year because it was obvious to those around him that he shouldn't be wearing the badge and carrying the gun?
I'm not speculating, I'm just curious.
Anyone?
gary witt posted at 5:47 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
And none of these actors were atheist. All theists. So much for Christian integrity guiding government.
M J Sanditen posted at 5:45 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I'll tune back into The Last Word tonight and hope there's more on this. Two nights ago, Clark Brewster did a number on Lawrence defending Bates....then last night Andy Coats, Dan Smolen, and Ziva did a nice job discussing how Brewster just might have erred in his assertion that there should be no manslaughter 2 charge. No, they said it could be first degree by definition. At least Tulsa didn't come off as a community out of the wild west . Everyone suspects us because of how red we are....
Kudos to the Tulsa World reporter for finding out about the falsified (incomplete) Sheriff's office records. That's real journalism for a change.
M J Sanditen posted at 5:28 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
[beam][thumbup]
Cindy Keith posted at 5:17 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Dessert?
Ray Chiang posted at 5:03 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ron plays the 1984 tune - which has been picked up by Faux.
"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia."
The hate radio thought police say so.
Rick Neal posted at 5:01 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
TPD corruption and now TCSO corruption... What's next?
Lauren Whitman posted at 5:01 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Cindy Keith posted at 4:45 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Both parties have made government bigger, Ron. The difference is one party pretends it wants smaller government, and then passes another bill which makes it bigger.
Liberals are not regressive, Ron, they are progressive. You're so confused you've mixed up your essives.
Dave McGee posted at 4:43 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
conservaclowns always talk about "taking responsibility" until they commit some malfeasance: then they will always blame liberals. ronhill is a perfect example of that sort of double-standard thought process: none of what he's written here today makes any sense. He's either accepting Koch brothers cash to play victim or he's a self-made lunatic. I'm betting on the latter.
Ray Chiang posted at 4:39 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
days....
Ray Chiang posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
broken record - sour tune
Marsha shilman posted at 4:28 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
????? No one is blaming this on a lack of money - only lack of integrity.
Alfred Dolly posted at 4:21 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Anyone taking bets on how much longer before Sheriff Glanz steps down?
Ron Hill posted at 4:08 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Grab the popcorn because the three-ring circus is beginning folks.
This is what Big Government results in, all of it. This is liberal/regressivism on display, and that is why all the liberals have their panties in a wad over it, and are blaming it on not enough money...
What's the answer liberals? Raise taxes? More abortions perhaps? Empty the prisons? Legalize drugs? Wealth redistribution? Shut down the churches?
If the liberals can take a small breath between their incessant whining, maybe one of them can give us some solutions between their temper tantrums....
Ron Hill posted at 4:01 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Thanks again for the [thumbup] Ray!![smile]
Israel James posted at 3:58 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office announced early Thursday it will conduct an internal review of the deputy reserve program."
The problem with the American criminal justice system in a nutshell. The TCSO will never find itself culpable under any circumstances.
In order for true reform to be achieved, an independent third party needs to be established to review law enforcement. The idea that law enforcement is going to dig up dirt on itself is ludicrous.
brette pruitenski posted at 3:57 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ron is just practicing his off-brand "Christianity."
Ray Chiang posted at 3:36 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
broken record playing sour tune.
Rick Neal posted at 3:35 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Not to say they didn't hear it, but there's a lot of adrenaline going on at that point, yelling, scuffling, etc., I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes right now. Especially with all the problems with the police going on everywhere. The entire situation is not good for anyone, the taxpayers included.
Alfred Dolly posted at 3:31 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Each day brings more interesting information.
Information that increases the likelihood that the Sheriff will need to step down.
Ray Chiang posted at 3:30 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
[thumbup]
Ron Hill posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
John, [thumbup]
It's the ugly side of liberal/regressivism....
John Henne posted at 3:18 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The cover up is unraveling big time. Even the attempt to keep the redacted names on the records showing which supervisors signed off on Bates’ training will fail in the end. Why? When the civil wrongful death case starts the depositions of everyone including bates himself will ferret out who did what. Those that refused to sign off will be called in and they will finger the retaliators who sent them off to menial jobs. Then the scramble to rat out each other will entertain us for weeks.
Those who falsified records and those that actually signed off the fictions have a lot to answer for. Falsification of official records is a criminal offense. Untersheriff Albin claims he knew nothing. Maybe so if the intimidations and falsifications were concealed from him. But when the jury gets to hear the real story all are going down. That's what you get when you allow Wannabes to infest your department.
Bates will be called to testify because it is a civil trial. Watch him sweat!
brette pruitenski posted at 3:02 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
All these questions seem to be adding up to an iron-clad case for the DA.
Beau McElhattan posted at 2:58 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
[thumbup]
Ray Chiang posted at 2:57 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
...Say the bad guys.
Ray Chiang posted at 2:56 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Bates needs to be jailed - no bail for exactly that reason.
Beau McElhattan posted at 2:55 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Think maybe the Sheriff needs about a million of these to show up all at once:
http://www.tcso.org/tcsoweb/Forms/ComplaintForm.pdf
Ray Chiang posted at 2:54 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Not for you Hill - regressive puppet
Robert Wilson posted at 2:54 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Tailgunner,
You should not drink so early in the day.
Did you even read what you wrote before you hit "Post Comment"?
John Smith posted at 2:51 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
If protocol was to shoot a suspect in the back, after they've been pinned down, you'd have a point,.
But thankfully that's not how things work.
mu tau posted at 2:51 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"Anyway Ron is likely on TW payroll and a liberal." Black helicopter much?
John Smith posted at 2:50 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Bud, that's a pretty poor deflection. If you don't see anything wrong with that's happen you could say nothing, or speak out, at the very least.
John Smith posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Brad, is there a follow-up to that, or... what?
John Smith posted at 2:47 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
[thumbup]
Harry Thomas posted at 2:32 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
As a retired law enforcement command officer I hope this man's death shines a long-needed light on the practice of buy-a-badge programs that infest American law enforcement agencies. To have a 73 year old part-time officer involved in a street operation like this simply because his pocketbook is open to the sheriff is an act of sheer insanity and unforgiveable irresponsibility. I am now aged 60 and there is NO WAY that I would ever be able to return to work like this.
Katherine Coody-Ross posted at 2:21 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
If Bate's aim was 6 inches off, he would have shot a deputy. THAT would have upset the Sheriff.
Katherine Coody-Ross posted at 2:20 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Does a taser sound like a gun shot? I don't think so. Someone please tell me how many fulltime deputies in the Sheriff's department are over 65 years old.
Ron Hill posted at 2:13 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Thanks for the [thumbup] Ray!!![smile]
Ray Chiang posted at 2:12 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
[thumbup]
John Smith posted at 2:10 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I too, found it hilarious when the surrounding officers claimed to not have heard a gun shot. Is the standard firearm equipped with a supressor now? I shoot at indoor and outdoor ranges frequently. There's no mistaking a gun shot at close range with no ear protection.
gary witt posted at 2:03 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Have not seen one of those Amy type posts in quite a while. Wonder if she paid for an annual subscription or just hacked in. TW tell us how she got in.
gary witt posted at 2:01 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Not IF current Tulsa County DA runs the grand jury. Need independent party to run the grand jury. Grand Jury members are NOT selected at Random either. They are chosen from a pool of jurors who judges liked and who likely will toe the party line. Nope need the Feds to come in on this one....except on of those tainted supervisors did move to the Secret Service...hmmm..wonder if she is operating the same in D.C would explain a lot.
Kim Miles posted at 2:01 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Don't know why it is such a surprise that they operate in such an unethical manner. This is the same agency who has religiously hired the friends and family of the Sheriff or his friends. The HR supervisor didn't have a college degree, they hired Men Yazell's wife as a detention officer first at 46,000 a year when deputies were making far less, she is now a deputy in training with an unmarked car, but any other deputy has to drive their own personal car unless they work in patrol, or extradition
Mike Anderson posted at 1:58 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Here's the brilliance of the right wing:
"When liberalism gets so deeply entrenched into our society, this is what happens. Bloated Government bureaucracies get corrupt.
Shrink Government, and you will shrink Government-produced problems within the Government..."
What a bunch of horse pucky. Your sheriff is a right winger who sucks up to Joe Arpaio, Maricopa County's narcissistic and cowardly shurf. Arpaio's department supposedly trained this old cop wannabe.
Mike Anderson posted at 1:54 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Sounds like the Tulsa County shurf has a good ol' buddy in Joe Arpaio, self-proclaimed America's Toughest Shurf. Arpaio also gives badges and guns to alterkocker fat cats who want to play policeman in Maricopa County. Get ready for a big settlement, Tulsa County. That's what happens when your shurf decides to reward his sugar daddies.
Ray Chiang posted at 1:54 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Ray Chiang posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Bennngaahhhhzzziiiiiii! DRINK!
Ray Chiang posted at 1:52 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
So please tell us the "real issues"
Ray Chiang posted at 1:51 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Still making excuses for thugs in blue.
Trent Asbury posted at 1:40 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Less police=More Freedom
Trent Asbury posted at 1:39 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Cops are big Government. Less cops=more freedom.
Trent Asbury posted at 1:36 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"I shot him. I'm sorry" coupled with a gunfire not Taser. Hopefully cops are trained to know what gunfire at close range sounds like?
Dianna Smith posted at 1:33 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Nope . . .it cannot be argued like that . . .it is a cop out and a lie.
jboatr-192 posted at 1:31 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
A completely different question, but one that you might want to ask of the Commissioners, the TCSO, and possibly Bates -- why did Bates last only a year on the force back in 64? Probably he left for banal reasons like finding a higher-paying job, etc. But, assuming he underwent SOME training back in '64, why leave after only a year on the job?
jboatr-192 posted at 1:13 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Are you having a moment? Is this a special day for you? Or is this just SOP stupidity for you? Because you SEEM to be saying that because Harris was (apparently; we'll never be sure) a thug, that somehow it's OK that TCSO has such low standards in terms of policy and execution (pun intended).
Hey, great motto! We should have this emblazoned all over TCSO vehicles and buildings:
"Tulsa County Sheriffs Office -- slightly better than a gang of street thugs!"
Rick Neal posted at 1:05 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Seems Bates' shot was an accident, the deputies seemed uncaring and rough. I've seen vids where officers have kneeled on peoples heads before, that's nothing new. Harris said he was shot, but perhaps the deputies thought he was talking about the taser? How long did it took before they discovered that he was shot with a bullet and not a taser? How long did it take to get him ambulatory care?
Maxwell Lewis posted at 1:03 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Or didn't WANT to.
Maxwell Lewis posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
[offtopic]
Maxwell Lewis posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Could have. That would account for the lost records.
Brad Wilson posted at 12:58 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The Tulsa World does not like to confront the real issues. They do not dig very deep. They are afraid of making the wrong people mad and like to keep it cozy with local leadership.
Maxwell Lewis posted at 12:57 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Money has always bought favor. Glanz is going to have to do some quick-stepping to survive this embarrassment.
gary witt posted at 12:48 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
TW and our local media NEVER picked up on this? What are they reporting on? Do they have reporters covering local government. Looking through public records...of course when they did have a beat reporter at local government they were likely to become part of the "good ol boy" network anyway.
gary witt posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Size does NOT matter. Selma, run by Southern Baptists, was a small town with a small government. Now please compare your liberal bloated government with that of the small government, very very small government, of Selma and other little Southern Baptist run towns. You proposition is laughable to anyone that knows American history and the evils rendered by very small governments.
gary witt posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Is that based upon your study of the south under Jim Crow laws. A good Southern Baptist like you should understand how local bureaucracy can be corrupted by Southern Baptists and its clan members to get away with literal MURDER to keep folks down. The size of government just like other "size matters" myths is just that a myth. If you had critical thinking skills an an understanding of history you would know that.
Ron Hill posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Michaels, the PEOPLE may say they are Republican, but the CORRUPTION is liberalism embedded into our society...
#duh
Randy McGivens posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I think Amy Lucas is a robot.
gary witt posted at 12:40 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Bates needs to seriously consider moving money off shore to a place that will not extradite. Likely he already has it there to protect him from legal judgements like the one coming. As his fate looks ever more bleak he should consider a quite escape across the border and to the place where his money should already be. Jail is no country for old men. Especially old men with money who wanted to play cop and likely helped put some of his soon to be fellow inmates away.
If he did not put money off shore he is indeed delusional. The idea of playing cop without some thought of eventual lawsuits rendering him destitute would represent an extreme excercise in delusional optimism. Certainly he can buy his way out of the country as a stow away on some private jet. He is crazy to stay it is only a matter of timing...when to make that move and how much cash he can amass to take with him. Now any criminal with half a brain knows that he is putting together a cash stash so he also needs to hire a couple of TRUSTWORTHY body guards. Good luck with that.
Jody Dalton posted at 12:39 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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gary witt posted at 12:32 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Yep without Ron Hill these TW threads would be threadbare or is it threadbare? Anyway Ron is likely on TW payroll and a liberal. TW needs him to keep their numbers up for their obnoxious Farmers and State Farm ads.
John Wesley posted at 12:30 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The sheriff is an elected official, the commissioners are not over him, he is elected just like the other county officers (county clerk, assessor, and so on). They are all on the same level.
gary witt posted at 12:29 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Truth twister Ron this is little government NOT BIG GOVERNMENT. Silly boy.
gary witt posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ron's broken record plays on. tell us about FDIC Ron and how that has messed us up and why NO CONSERVATIVE wants it gone. Do you have your money in a non FDIC bank? lol People TRUST the federal government a lot more than business.
James Michaels posted at 12:26 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ron Hill--the sheriff and his fishing, shootin buddy are both Republicans. The entire governmental structure in Tulsa and Oklahoma is Republican--so what the heck are you talking about? This is your double talking two timin GOP that is at the heart of the "big government".
James Michaels posted at 12:23 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Falsified certification records? Missing when challenged? Massive contributions to Sheriff's office, service as chair of sheriff's election committee? Officials refusing to sign certifications transferred? Sheriff going to investigate himself and his office?
Sounds like time for a grand jury to get to the bottom of this situation which is beginning to carry the smell of the dead fish of corruption in office.
John Wesley posted at 12:23 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
In the last 10 years, there have been 12 cops killed in the UK, 5 by gunfire. In the US, there have been 841, 272 by gunfire. [sad]
Bud Wright posted at 12:21 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Is it true the Sheriff called Hillary for some advice?
ML Wells posted at 12:17 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Since Harris was the subject of the sting operation wherein he (Harris) would, allegedly, sell a gun to an undercover officer, WHERE was Harris' gun? I agree that someone should be held responsible in Harris' death, however, IF Harris were, indeed, engaged in the commission of a crime, i.e., a felon in possession of a weapon AND selling a weapon, could it not be argued that his activity led to his death and no one was directly responsible for his death?
John Wesley posted at 12:12 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
People seem to forget that he contributed to his own death by having a reputation from his past criminal acts, dealing in illegal weapons and narcotics, and running from the cops. There is more than enough blame to go around for everyone, including the Tulsa Co. Sheriffs Office AND Mr. Harris. Everyone involved is responsible for this outcome. The woman in the video with him was also involved and should face charges resulting in Mr.Harris's death related to his commission of a felony.
Dee Wilson posted at 12:05 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ron Hill,
Your record is still broke.
Dee Wilson posted at 12:04 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ron Hill,
Your record is broken.
Robert Dora posted at 12:03 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Tulsa needs a large dose of Eric Holder to investigate what you have been up to. Ready?
LOL
Robert Dora posted at 12:00 pm on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
In regards to the civil case against the county, may I volunteer to be on the jury? I have a very large number in mind. In fact, I think the Harris family should own the county.
I would also like to serve on the jury when Bates is sued by the family. I will tell the judge I will be fair. And I will. I have a very fair, very large number in mind.
Robert Dora posted at 11:55 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
No, Ron. If you had more SENSE you could have avoided all of this. It has nothing to do with money.
Robert Dora posted at 11:53 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Who poisoned Ron Hill? Please Oklahoma, keep him. He fits right in.
Dave McGee posted at 11:53 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Will someone feed ronhill his cracker already? He's been squawking the same line all morning. He's really desperate for some attention.
Marsha shilman posted at 11:53 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Sounds straight out of Tim mcveigh's manifesto. Everything is government's fault
Robert Dora posted at 11:51 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Big government had nothing to do with staffing the Sheriff Department with Thugs. We never expected better from Oklahoma.
Dave McGee posted at 11:48 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Haha! Don't mind ronhill, folks. We let him out on occasion to supply the comic relief. We'll be issuing his meds shortly.
Ron Hill posted at 11:47 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
When liberalism gets so deeply entrenched into our society, this is what happens. Bloated Government bureaucracies get corrupt.
Shrink Government, and you will shrink Government-produced problems within the Government....
Brad Wilson posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The White-Trash Tulsa Sheriff's Department has made national news now for their corrupt acts. The leadership needs to be prosecuted and throw into their own jail!!!!!!
Ray Chiang posted at 11:36 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
your record is broken
Ray Chiang posted at 11:36 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Yup typical.
Privatize the profits, socialize the costs.
Robert Dora posted at 11:34 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The Thug Sheriff is going to investigate the Thug Department? The Sheriff should be arrested. The Thugs should be fired.
Robert Wilson posted at 11:28 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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You nailed it with Tailgunners M.O.
Ray Chiang posted at 11:26 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
They never have solutions... still waiting for the regressive alternative for ACA after five years now.
Richard Hart posted at 11:26 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
What Republicanism buys you: the 1% go hunting while the 99%'s taxes go up to pay all the lawsuits.
Ron Hill posted at 11:25 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"You can't have the crooks investigate the crooks."
That's exactly what you will get when the Feds come in...
Big Government poisons everything...
Ray Chiang posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
You voted for Glanz.....
Lance Rider posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
So your solution is to get rid of the requirements that they lied about and let those in charge of the police, do anything they want? Police is about as basic a service as you get. I don't see how this has anything to do with big government. It has to do with corruption. Fix the problem. Fire the people that are corrupt and move on.
Ray Chiang posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Yup - Faux and hate radio realy does rot brains
Ray Chiang posted at 11:10 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
There is going to be a whole lot of "big government" looking into this regressive GOP corruption. Enjoy what you reap.
Rick Thomas posted at 11:09 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The millions and millions of dollars that this city will pay out pales in comparison to what this guy gave to this police department. This is an embarrassment to no end and quite frankly I agree with those calling for a Justice Department investigation. You can't have the crooks investigate the crooks.
Randy McGivens posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Congratulations TW for having CNN interview you about the story. CNN realized not one Tulsa TV station had a reporter qualified to discuss the story.
Rick Neal posted at 11:05 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"Buy a Badge" Bates.
I have to laugh at that one
John Smith posted at 11:03 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
How come the people who blindly support law enforcement because of their 'law and order' mindset, at the very same time don't feel the police/sheriff are subject to their very own rules and protocol.
Next time someone goes to traffic court they should tell the judge that they conducted an internal investigation and found that no speeding occured.
Ron Hill posted at 10:59 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Big Government poisons everything...
John Smith posted at 10:59 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I enjoy Ron's posts if for no other reason to get a glimpsed of the bizarre psyche that is the deep red conservative voter in Oklahoma. No sense of personal responsibility, and everything is always someone else’s fault.
Take this for example, a 'buy a badge' program, under the authority of a conservative government and department, and somehow that's part of a liberal agenda? My lord, the illusion is scary.
John Smith posted at 10:57 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ok Ron, so you keep spouting the same rhetoric over, and over, and over. So what’s your proposal to the problem? Apparently you see this as the result of big government. So should we be spending less taxpayer money on the Sheriff’s department? Should we have less government oversight of law enforcement? I mean, let’s hear it? You’re not a politician, so you’re not exactly going to pander to your peers here by simply rehashing the same ‘I hate dem big guv’ment’ and ‘obama’s fault for ____’ here – what’s your solution?
Ray Chiang posted at 10:54 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Ray Chiang posted at 10:54 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Ray Chiang posted at 10:53 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Looks like the folks in OK are lining up to the Sacrificial Lambs
From putting a 73 year old on a Sting Operation.
To lying about his certifications
To "losing" his certifications
To lying to the public about his certifications.
Steve Hansen posted at 10:46 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Oh . . . this is really reassuring:
"The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office announced early Thursday it will conduct an internal review of the deputy reserve program."
It's time for the Department of Justice to take a long hard look at this entire department - and not just for this killing but it's entire operation.
Ray Chiang posted at 10:44 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
You voted for Glanz
Gerry Smythe posted at 10:41 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Before this is over, those 5 cars that "Buy a Badge" Bates bought for the TCSO are going to cost the taxpayers many multiples of their sticker price.
Ray Chiang posted at 10:35 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Ray Chiang posted at 10:35 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Cindy Keith posted at 10:29 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Dianna Smith posted at 10:29 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
See above from Robert Wilson for a start. He is asking the county commissioners for answers. I do not trust ANY one in power in OK to give me a straight up answer with no lies and obfuscations. I also would like an update on the officers in both the TCSO and the TPD that were discovered to be serial rapists. Just having them fired is not enough. They need to be prosecuted and put in jail.
Robert Wilson posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Sober up, John.
Ron Hill posted at 10:24 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Bureaucracies, hypocrisies, corruption.....
All part of the consequences of liberal/regressive Big Government...
Big Government poisons everything....
Dianna Smith posted at 10:22 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
oh dear . . .we are about to go over the waterfall into Corrupt cuckoo land, aren't we?!
Dianna Smith posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Dianna Smith posted at 10:17 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
You can NOT have an agency review itself!! You will never get a true review if you do that! We need an outside agency who is neutral, and does not have ANY ties with the TCOS, the TPD or ANY person of power in OK. We need the DOJ!!
Larry Knoles posted at 10:08 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Excellent play on words...
Larry Knoles posted at 10:07 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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An internal investigation will have no credibility. Already the Sheriff and multiple supervisors seem to be complicit in fraud.
Time to bring in the DOJ, the FBI, the OSBI, or whoever has the right jurisdiction.
John Smith posted at 10:06 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
If you believed that, you wouldn't be bashing marijuana legalization and same sex marriage every chance you get. You don't like big government when it doesn't support your narrow view.
Larry Knoles posted at 10:05 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Perhaps Mr. Johnson can manage to cook up a bit of sympathy for Tulsa County's taxpayers.
They are facing a HUGE settlement as a result of the apparent gross negligence of the sheriff's office in turning the unqualified Mr. Bates loose to play cops and robbers.
Robert Wilson posted at 10:05 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I thought Sheriff Glanz already made an investigation into this matter.
"What's wrong with having a friend?"
Ray Chiang posted at 10:05 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
PS GOP = regress, DEM progressives progress.
That home skooling again :(
John Smith posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Well this stinks now and probably won't make the national attention go away. I'm a DOJ investigation is exactly what our state and town needs.
Hopefully the average citizen sees that this is what corruption looks like. The true bravery comes from the POs who refused to cooperate with the corruption.
Larry Knoles posted at 10:03 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Yep.
This is what "smaller government" looks like. Cutting corners, doing everything on the cheap...
Larry Knoles posted at 10:02 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Now they're going to need a LOT MORE funding...
...because they're looking at a HUGE payoff to the family of the man that the fraudulently-qualified deputy "tased."
A stitch in time...
Ray Chiang posted at 10:02 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Robert Wilson posted at 10:02 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Still liking that "death squad" idea, H J?
Ray Chiang posted at 10:01 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Yeah private cops work so well. Blackwater anyone? They bring thier own tanks and machine guns.
Robert Wilson posted at 10:01 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Glanz is all yours, Tailgunner.
Reap the result of Republican corruption.
Glanz / Tailgunner both Republican's, both could use a heaping dose of soul searching.
Ray Chiang posted at 10:00 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Yeah - charging to be a cop works so well...
Robert Wilson posted at 9:59 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ziva's
Robert Wilson posted at 9:58 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Siva's stories are about the only reason to subscribe to this small town, OK News pimping rag.
GA Winter posted at 9:45 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The documents slipped out of their hands and the shredder captured them.
Ron Hill posted at 9:41 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I am sure what we are going to be hearing now is "If we just had MORE FUNDING then we could have avoided all this....." blah, blah, blah....
Big Government poisons everything....
Jody Dalton posted at 9:40 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Surely a good Republican Sherriff like Stanley Glanz wouldn't allow such a thing...
Jody Dalton posted at 9:39 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Jody Dalton posted at 9:28 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
So you can buy your way to an advanced deputy position in the Tulsa County Sheriff's Department and not get any real training at all. That should make everybody sleep better tonight
Frank Kennedy posted at 9:16 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Ziva, Congratulations on your reporting. You are doing exactly what a good newspaper reporter ought to be doing in acting on behalf of the public interest. I have been distressed by the actions of the new publisher, Bill Masterson, who seems to think the way to sell newspapers is to pander to the prevailing powers of the local community. He is grossly wrong in his assumption, and in advancing it he does a great disservice to this community and to the principles of journalism he ought to be serving. Please keep up your intrepid reporting. There are many of us subscribers who want the only paper in town to do more than pat current office-holders on the back.
Ron Hill posted at 9:13 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
This corruption is a result of Big Government and a symptom of growing liberal/regressivism in this country.
Big Government poisons everything....
Duke Chestnut posted at 8:55 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"Open and shut case Johnson! I saw this once before when I was a rookie... lets sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here."
Ray Chiang posted at 8:55 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Pathetic
H J Johnson posted at 8:46 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
I'm here, and I'm having trouble cooking up much sympathy for Mr. Harris.
Ray Chiang posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
The regressive guns thugs are very quiet this morning.
Ray Chiang posted at 8:31 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Ray Chiang posted at 8:31 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Figures - corrupt to the core.
Call in the Feds.
Rick Neal posted at 8:26 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
GT Bynum is going to look into it and probably answer all your questions.
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CJ Grant posted at 8:23 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
"department announces internal investigation"
What? Really? It's corruption from the direct order of Sheriff Glanz, what will any internal review turn up? "Nope, guys, turns out we're super cops."
They also already an internal review of the shooting and said Mr. Bates did fine, despite the Tulsa DA later deciding he committed manslaughter.
No, the TCSO will need a thorough cleaning from the outside. DOJ?
laurice mccoy posted at 8:20 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Notice how ALL these cops that kill UNARMED people use the SAME narrative..'he was reaching for something, I feared for my life.' Must be what they teach in the acadamy to say whenever they use deadly force.
Jerry Pogue posted at 8:12 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Internal Review.
Investigator: Mr. Supervisor, were you asked to falsify trainee records?
Supervisor: Why would I do that?
Case closed...you can't hide anything from law enforcement.
Beau McElhattan posted at 8:11 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Beau McElhattan posted at 8:11 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Neither did the deaf guy they shot in the back and killed. Swept under the rug.
Beau McElhattan posted at 7:57 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
wow.
lori gleiss posted at 7:55 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Glanz wasn't even going to investigate it at all. Just a mistake blah blah blah. A human being lost his life because some rich geezer wanted to play a cop to fulfill his bucket list. Does he even care? He looks defiant to me.. Glanz needs to step down because he is corrupt. If only people under him were free to talk...
Jack E Smith posted at 7:49 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Tasergate.
Dave McGee posted at 7:48 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Things are looking worse for the Cosplay Cop.
Neoma Graves posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Viva Ziva! Keep up the good work on behalf of We the People - all of us ordinary citizen/voter/taxpayers who PAY for all of these government programs/services - but who are rarely made privy to any transparent facts about how our government programs/services are actually developed, implemented and managed on our behalf.
Unless and until all of these deliberately orchestrated and manipulated "public-private" government/business partnerships are carefully scrutinized and examined in very close detail, We the People will continue to be duped and cheated by these arrogant "good ole boys" (and their sexy surrogates, like Mistress Mary Fallin) who continue to control virtually every aspect of our civic/government lives, not only here in Tulsa, but across the entire state of Oklahoma.
All of these ego-ridden, self-entitled, good ole boys who scratch one another's backs so generously - while demanding that We the People pay the ultimate price for their so-called "friendships" - must be exposed and removed from all positions of public trust.
Sheriff Stanley Glanz needs to resign immediately. He clearly has Eric Harris's blood all over his hands, and We the People shouldn't have to pay the price for Glanz's bad judgment, for his arrogance, or for his total lack of integrity.
Bud Wright posted at 7:26 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Time for Glanz to go!
Howard Levi posted at 6:10 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
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Roger Brown posted at 12:40 am on Thu, Apr 16, 2015.
Tulsa has the policy to allow those that pay can play cop. Whether this guy tried to use his tazer or his gun, a citizen is dead. Not only should the play-cop be charged with Man-2, but the Survivors must sue the City of Tulsa for Wrongful Death. The killing of unarmed black men is out of control. US Police killed more unarmed black men in February than were killed in the UK over the last century.
grant holm posted at 10:40 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Ms Branstetter, I think alot of citizens would like to know how the Sherrifs office got so out of control. I believe Stanley Glanz and his command staff and the reserve program should be suspended. The county commisioners are responsible for the government of the county and should have been able to see the ethical problems with the reserve program of donations and citizens buying jobs as deputies. Thank you
Don Bell posted at 10:30 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
I'll give CJ a thumbs up, but raise him that not only is Glanz done, he should be charged if the allegations are proven.
Don Bell posted at 10:29 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Feds have already investigated TPD - what specifically do you want them to investigate?
Frank Kennedy posted at 10:01 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Are there other 73-year-old volunteer deputies in the department running around with their own .357 magnums on similar assignments? It seems gun nuts are turning up on daily basis in the pages of the Tulsa World, wreaking havoc on the lives of others.
Robert Wilson posted at 9:31 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Why shore, Ziva!
The death of Mr. Harris has occurred and cannot be undone.
Moving forward, could the County Commissioners please engage an outside agency, not the Tulsa Police Department or the Tulsa County Sheriff, to examine the Reserve Deputy Program?
How does it compare to similar programs in other cities?
Who administers this program for Tulsa County and what is their job title in performing this duty?
Are Reserve Deputies required to perform all of the same duties that Regular Deputies are required to perform?
What training is required for an individual to participate in the Reserve Deputy Program?
What license or licenses needs to be renewed or continuing education courses need to be completed, on a year to year basis, for a Reserve Deputy to continue to participate in the Reserve Deputy Program?
Can the agency or person responsible for this Program furnish all of the required, up to date data, that is required by the person or agency that administers the Reserve Deputy Program, on every active member of the Program?
Is it necessary for a Reserve Deputy to carry a firearm in performing his or her duties?
If it is, why?
Are Reserve Deputies really needed to bolster the Tulsa County Sheriff Department's sworn and paid officer numbers? Are they really needed to keep the people of Tulsa County, safe?
Will the County Commissioners employ their own, outside investigator, not the Tulsa Police Department or Tulsa Sheriff, to investigate the events leading up to and including the shooting of Mr. Harris by one of the members of the Reserve Deputy Program.
How do the County Commissioners view the work methods employed by the arresting Deputies, the one's cursing at and arguing with the suspect as he lay shot and bleeding on the ground?
We keep hearing TCS spokesmen saying that the Reserve Deputy Program has never had questions asked, like are now being asked of the administrators of the Program, about the readiness and fitness of the Program Participants. Is it time to now ask all of those hard questions about this Program?
I mean, it's a start.
Bob Lucas posted at 8:46 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
The FBI needs to investigate.
Sharon Caliendo posted at 8:34 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Do Tulsa County Commissioners have the nerve to fire Glanz or ask for his resignation -- should not be holding office from I read. Removing people from their job because they refuse to lie should get the Sherrif removed.
LYN BROMILEY posted at 7:44 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Ms Brantstetter, I assume you're responding to Mr. Holms' query. Could you ask the comissioners who is ultimately accountable for this miscarriage of justice?
Larry Nation posted at 7:39 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Guess the reports that high-ranking sheriff department officials have been treated to vacations on Bates' very large boat in Florida are now becoming more relevant in this conversation....
posted at 7:29 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Yes we can do that. Is there something you would like us to ask, other than what they think of all this?
Gene Mortensen posted at 6:39 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
I made an attempt to figure the jury award in the civil case against Bates and the Sheriff's Office and the machine ran out of zeros. Folks, get ready for some property tax "hikes", because this is going to be BIG! .
LYN BROMILEY posted at 6:36 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Power corrupts; absolutely power corrupts absolutely. Where is the accountability in the Tulsa Counties Sheriffs office? All lives matter, and this life could have been spared had rules been adhered to, apparently.
kelsey staley posted at 6:33 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Barney Fife only dangerous - really dangerous!
Brad Wilson posted at 6:31 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
I have been concerned for many years about the Tulsa County Sheriff's Department. First of all, Stanley Glanz is way too comfortable in his job and he needs to go ASAP. Secondly, they dehumanize people in the way that they treat arrestees and inmates. Several people have died in that jail due to the neglect of the officers. They have left people to die in jail cells. Thirdly, there is a conflict of interest taking money from a donor, then putting him on what is essentially a SWAT team. Especially when the guy is 73 years old. I have a real problem with that. The citizens of Tulsa have their heads buried in the sand about these issues and unfortunately it takes something like this to bring it to the surface.
Brad Wilson posted at 6:30 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
I have ben concerned for many years about the Tulsa County Sheriff's Department. First of all, Stanley Glanz is way too comfortable in his job and he needs to go ASAP. Secondly, they dehumanize people in the way that they treat arrestees and inmates. Several people have died in that jail due to the neglect of the officers. They have left people to die in jail cells. Thirdly, there is a conflict of interest taking money from a donor, then putting him on what is essentially a SWAT team. Especially when the guy is 73 years old. I have a real problem with that. The citizens of Tulsa have their heads buried in the sand about these issues and unfortunately it takes something like this to bring it to the surface.
Brad Wilson posted at 5:51 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Corruption in the sheriff's department!!!!
Dale Wood posted at 5:42 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Does not pass the smell test.
Charles Shumate posted at 5:29 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Yep. This cluster is getting bigger, deeper and wider with each passing day.
Let's see if I've got this straight.....He joined the TPD in 1964. That means that if he would have stuck with it he could have retired after 20 years of service back in 1984 (31 years ago). But....instead of now being a 31 year retired cop, he's a wealthy old wannabe who bought himself a badge and gun; and, he was just fortunate enough to be buddy buddy with the high sheriff.
Stanley should have known better; but, he never was all that smart.
grant holm posted at 5:28 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Can somebody at TW plz call the county commisioners
Dianna Smith posted at 5:23 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Definitely we need the federal DOJ to investigate corruption and impropriety in the TCSO & the TPD.
DAVID CRUTCHFIELD posted at 4:54 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
The records fit in with the "slips and capture" explanation used by Briggs. How about applying the tried and proven "hocus and pocus" or "mumbo and jumbo"?
Dee Wilson posted at 4:53 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Liars will always be exposed by their lies.
CJ Grant posted at 4:53 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
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Glanz is done
Dwan Borens posted at 4:50 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
This just keeps on getting worse for Mr. Bates and our elected sheriff.
brette pruitenski posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Bates' records sound like George W. Bush's National Guard records.
Robert Wilson posted at 4:28 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
"Keep moving, nothing to see here."
"This is SOP for the TCS and Sheriff Stanley Glanz."
"Don't like it, TOUGH!"
"We know where you live and what you drive."
Apologist, spokesmen for the TCS.
Cindy Keith posted at 4:27 pm on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
ohmigosh.... send in the Feds.