This story initially misidentified who was the subject of an undercover gun and ammunition buy. The story has been corrected.
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Robert Bates, the reserve Tulsa County deputy who fatally shot a man who was in a physical altercation with another deputy last week, has donated thousands of dollars worth of items to the Sheriff’s Office since becoming a reserve deputy in 2008.
Bates, 73, accidentally shot Eric Harris on Thursday, according to Maj. Shannon Clark, after Harris — the subject of an undercover gun and ammunition buy by the Sheriff’s Office’s Violent Crimes Task Force — fled from arrest and then fought with a deputy who tackled him. Bates, Clark said, thought he was holding a stun gun when he pulled the trigger.
Bates is not an active member of the task force but donates his hours there as a highly regarded member of the Reserve Deputy Program, Clark said.
Harris, 44, an ex-convict with an extensive criminal history, was shot in the right axilla, the area under the joint that connects the arm to the shoulder, according to the state Medical Examiner’s Office. Clark said Harris, who died at a Tulsa hospital after the shooting, told a deputy at the scene that he had taken PCP earlier in the morning.
Bates apparently is not alone as both a donor and reserve deputy. While the Sheriff’s Office has not released its full roster, Clark said other wealthy donors are among the agency’s 130 reserve deputies.
“There are lots of wealthy people in the reserve program,” he said. “Many of them make donations of items. That’s not unusual at all.”
Bates has donated multiple vehicles, guns and stun guns to the Sheriff’s Office since he became a reserve deputy in 2008, Clark said. The Sheriff’s Office did not have an itemized list of donations made by Bates available Monday and deferred that question to the county commissioners’ office, which tracks those items.
The shooting, which a Sheriff’s Office press release says happened after a brief foot pursuit in the 2000 block of North Harvard Avenue, was recorded via two “sunglass cameras,” Clark said. He could not confirm whether those sunglass cameras were purchased by Bates, but a source told the Tulsa World that Bates had recently purchased them for the Violent Crimes Task Force.
According to the Sheriff’s Office’s “Use of Force” policy, deputies are authorized to use deadly force to:
• Protect themselves or others when the deputy has reason to believe there is immediate danger of death of serious bodily harm;
• Prevent the escape of a fleeing felon when the deputy has probable cause to believe both that the person has committed a felony involving the action or threat of serious physical injury or death and that the subject’s escape would pose an imminent danger of death or serious physical harm to deputies and others.
First Assistant District Attorney John David Luton said Monday that the Tulsa County District Attorney’s Office had not received the case from the Sheriff’s Office but would seek to “move quickly” on a decision on possible charges against the reserve deputy once presented with the case.
Before Bates was a reserve deputy, he served one year — from 1964 to 1965 — as a police officer, according to Tulsa police.
According to the Sheriff’s Office’s Reserve Deputy Program policy manual, reserves — who Clark said are not compensated financially for any hours they work — are separated into three categories: basic, intermediate and advanced.
Bates, Clark said, is classified as an “advanced reserve,” which means he “can do anything a full-time deputy can do.” Though Bates’ assignment to the Violent Crimes Task Force was not unusual, Clark said, the insurance company executive would have been assigned to the undercover operation in a support role.
“Although he had training and experience for the arrest team, he’s not assigned to the arrest team,” Clark said of Bates’ role on the task force. “He came to render aid during the altercation, but he’s in a support role during the operation. That means keeping notes, doing counter-surveillance, things like that.”
According to Reserve Deputy Program policy, to be classified as “advanced,” you must have 320 hours of training with CLEET (the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training) as well as have completed 480 hours of the TCSO Field Training Officer Program.
At that point, the policy states, reserve deputies can “perform normal field duties by themselves and without the direct supervision of a certified deputy.”
CLEET paralegal Catherine Streeter said Bates was actively certified with the organization, but she could not release documents stating when he received his training.
Advanced reserve deputies “must complete 40 hours of service every six months” to maintain certification, the policy states.
The Tulsa Police Department, by comparison, has “about 55” reserve officers, Officer Leland Ashley said. TPD reserves typically work traffic control or events such as parking lot patrols during “Safe Shopper” operations in heavy shopping seasons, he said.
Ashley said the only time Chief Chuck Jordan remembers reserve officers being used on a task force was during last summer’s hunt for a serial rapist.
Other than that task force, in which reserve officers sat in marked patrol cars in hopes of deterring the rapist from attacking again, Ashley said TPD reserves “aren’t utilized in task forces or undercover operations.”
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92 comments:
Mark Coble posted at 9:44 am on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
Judging by the news, all of it, from Oklahoma I would say NO.
Mark Coble posted at 9:41 am on Wed, Apr 15, 2015.
First Assistant District Attorney John David Luton said Monday that the Tulsa County District Attorney’s Office had not received the case from the Sheriff’s Office but would seek to “move quickly” on a decision on possible charges against the reserve deputy once presented with the case.
Quickly to sweep under the rug and lose the case. We have had a case disappear in Albuquerque....see LT. Brachle shoot his OWN officer. Story is.....gone! Google it.
John Wesley posted at 4:59 pm on Tue, Apr 14, 2015.
I you read, they are trained, 320 hours of training, which is more than was required of a full time officer 5-6 years ago (when it changes, the current officers do not have to meet the new requirement, so he actually has more hours than some of the current full time officers).
Alfred Dolly posted at 2:58 am on Tue, Apr 14, 2015.
This whole reserve deputy program sounds peculiar. The City allows citizens to donate to their law enforcement agency, and in return, the citizen gets to participate in law enforcement activities?
That sounds like a program that is just asking for misconduct to occur. Allowing the wealthy to have such direct influence on law enforcement is unacceptable. Either only allow anonymous donations, or raise the taxes, hire more deputies and eliminate the volunteer program.
Demarco Dodson posted at 8:21 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
I totally agree
Demarco Dodson posted at 8:18 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
Thank you Dave for your service.
Demarco Dodson posted at 8:15 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
Money buys quite a bit!
Demarco Dodson posted at 8:12 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
Very true
Demarco Dodson posted at 8:09 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
Jeff, that was NOT Tulsa Police
Carolyn Hill posted at 1:37 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
Since when is shooting an unarmed running man in the back justifiable. Smh
Carolyn Hill posted at 1:35 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
I am so tired of seeing these untrained, unprofessional cops or thugs with guns, whatever you may call them. It may have been an accident but I feel that "cop" needs to be charged with a crime and fired.
David Anderson posted at 1:03 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
The video and the statements released to the press raise a reasonable suspicion that the reserve deputy committed felony manslaughter. Unfortunately the LE response to this likely homicide fits the "thin blue line" philosophy in which there are "cops" and "other people". "Other people" are supposed to IMMEDIATELY COMPLY with whatever unbalanced commands or force are imposed on them, and that is an unsatisfactory policy for a free country. Yet the system excuses cops for seemingly any mistake, whereas we can all guess what would happen to a private citizen who "accidentally" used a firearm instead of mace or a Taser when lethal force wasn't legally justifiable. If the Tulsa County District Attorney doesn't launch a serious, unbiased, "for real" investigation then you may fairly assume that the private lives of "other people" are expendable in the law enforcement community.
John Wesley posted at 12:34 pm on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
They are fully trained and CLEET certified. In some instances they have more training than full time officers, and many are retired or former officers who left to better provide for their families, but still want to contribute to their communities. Why don't you do some research into it, you may decide to apply, go through hundreds of hours of training, and walk in their shoes for a while.
Alan Anderson posted at 12:46 am on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
Live with it? He's 73 YEARS OLD.
How long will he have to live with it?
jhustin abode posted at 12:38 am on Mon, Apr 13, 2015.
There is only one unexpected item in this story. The shooter served one year as an actual Tulsa cop back in the 60's. Stop right there. Who the heck is a cop for one year? Someone too stupid, inept or criminal to make a real career out of it. If you call yourself a journalist I suggest you find out the back story on this one.
Obviously he really wanted to be a cop -- so bad in fact, that he bought his way back in years later. There is a big story here. Why aren't you getting on it?
Jeff Adams posted at 5:41 pm on Sun, Apr 12, 2015.
Spot the obvious false statement from police. The following quote is from the above article " ... [Mr. Harris] told a deputy at the scene that he had taken PCP earlier in the morning." I listened to the entire segment. The only statement made by Mr. Harris was “... He shot me!” and “… Oh my God, I’m losing my breath.” I don't think that having been mortally wounded and out of breath that Mr. Harris was likely to have answered any questions or provided any more detail about his situation after that juncture. THE POINT IS THAT THE TULSA POLICE HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING ON THEIR OWN VIDEOCAMERA RECORD.
joshua mayu posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Apr 12, 2015.
I would personally like to see all of the officers involved shot in the back while they had a knee pushing their face in the ground. The writer of the story and slanted, biased reporting should get the same fate as well. WE are sick of these Barbarians!
s. mason posted at 8:22 am on Sun, Apr 12, 2015.
WOW. That is a way to throw the victim under the bus. This story is so slanted, it is sickening. This man is shot while on the ground but its a mistake? He was going for his stun gun but used his fire arm. So I guess they feel the same and have the same color. We see this is not true. These stun guns have a neon piece on them for this very purpose. Also, the revolver has a silver part on it. When the investigator said he thought it was his stun gun instead of his revolver that why it jumped out of his hand, that just goes to the point that those weapon don't feel or weight the same. Also, they are on different sides of their body and they have had several hours of training using both and distinguishing between the two. And as far as a stressful situation, you are 73 years old, you volunteered, you know if you are easily nervous or not but better yet the person over you should know. Eric's record or other crimes in no way justify him being shot. I mean how much moving was he doing if " the stun gun" was being used, the other officers would have to clear themselves.... unless they are immune .... before the charge was given. Sad Sad SAD
s. mason posted at 8:03 am on Sun, Apr 12, 2015.
WOW. That is a way to throw the victim under the bus. This story is so slanted, it is sickening. This man is shot while on the ground but its a mistake? He was going for his stun gun but used his fire arm. So I guess they feel the same and have the same color. We see this is not true. These stun guns have a neon piece on them for this very purpose. Also, the revolver has a silver part on it. When the investigator said he thought it was his stun gun instead of his revolver that why it jumped out of his hand, that just goes to the point that those weapon don't feel or weight the same. Also, they are on different sides of their body and they have had several hours of training using both and distinguishing between the two. And as far as a stressful situation, you are 73 years old, you volunteered, you know if you are easily nervous or not but better yet the person over you should know. Eric's record or other crimes in no way justify him being shot. I mean how much moving was he doing if " the stun gun" was being used, the other officers would have to clear themselves.... unless they are immune .... before the charge was given. Sad Sad SAD
Shane Lowrey posted at 6:44 am on Sun, Apr 12, 2015.
My God have mercy on the Tulsa County Police Department. The Courts should have none.
Dianna Smith posted at 12:09 pm on Thu, Apr 9, 2015.
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Dianna Smith posted at 12:06 pm on Thu, Apr 9, 2015.
As opposed to when they kill in the "line of duty"?
I had no idea of the existence and use of non police officers to supposedly protect me. I do NOT want non trained police officers in charge of ANY thing trained police officers are supposed to be doing. In this state we already have too many actual police officers who shoot first and ask questions later. I am sure this was a nice man and I believe he accidentally drew the wrong thing. But an untrained elderly man should NOT be allowed or expected to act as a trained police officer!!!
CJ Grant posted at 1:29 pm on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
Ah, the old hypocritical claim comes out again.
Dave (as he's known this week...) accusing others of something he's gotten in trouble for multiple times himself.
Let's try to focus on the story, and not your sordid, hypocritical past...
CJ Grant posted at 1:27 pm on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
Unsolicited confessions to disinterested third parties (the media) are probably THE most damning type of evidence. I'd say a video would be only thing more persuasive.
wendy barnes posted at 12:54 pm on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
I respect my elders as a principle. But a 73 year old reserve deputy being able to and responsible for the same duties and responsibilities as a full-time deputy? I cannot believe their workers comp or municipal insurance would even cover him or any damage that he may cause, even completely accidentally. Do they keep them on until they have to pay out an amount equal to their donations? This story just baffles me. How much will this cost the tax payers? Or is it less expensive than constantly catching, prosecuting, and imprisoning him over and over?
Bounty Hunter posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
CJ, Larry and I have conversed on more than one occasion about being in the military. While it is a common occurance for people to falsify military service, I wasn't doubting per se about Larry's military service. Maybe I worded it wrong, and if so, then my apology is to him, definitely not you.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
Robert, it might be time for a lot of things to be done as a result of this incident, but you have to remember that age discrimination can't be used and taking away his keys won't affect anyone. Maybe, it's just time to retire from being an LEO.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
CJ, what I'm trying to understand is in what post that I made, did you read where I stated that the reserve deputy didn't shoot anyone, accidentally or otherwise? It will be up to the DA, if charges of any kind are filed. If I remember right, a mere confession isn't grounds for a conviction.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Apr 8, 2015.
Actually CJ, I totally understand and it could be proven quite easily that slander was used. However, you couldn't defend the case, since you claim to be a criminal attorney. With a fake name I might add.
CJ Grant posted at 11:50 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Look at that, would you? A disagreement met with a personal challenge? Not Dave...
And a fundamental misunderstanding of slander. It's not up to him to prove his point, if you're accusing him of slander you have to prove his point is untrue. Ball's in your court. Or I'll cancel my subscription... Thump, thump.
Or maybe just don't talk about legal matters you don't understand.
CJ Grant posted at 11:44 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
'whether it was a justified type shooting or not"
Perhaps you missed the part where he admitted, several times, to accidentally shooting him. You can't accidentally have a justified shooting. Doesn't matter what "could" have been.
He negligently handled a weapon, and someone died. End of story.
CJ Grant posted at 11:42 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
You challenge him receiving a medal with 0 evidence? Kind of against your whole "wait for all the evidence" mantra, isn't it?
Or it does that only apply when you're not personally attacking people who happen to have opinions different than yours? For NO REASON AT ALL, you try to insinuate he's misrepresenting having a medal. Ad hominem arguments are a symptom of a weak position.
CJ Grant posted at 11:36 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
And so to that you say... a bunch of personal challenges... Chest thumping bravado...
"All" the evidence is the deputy admitted he accidentally shot him. Doesn't matter if he "coulda", what matters is what actually happened. Someone died that didn't need to.
Bounty Hunter posted at 9:10 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Robert, your comment was well received. I'm glad I am retired as well. I can look back and feel good about my 35 yrs in law enforcement. I never arrested anyone who wasn't found guilty in a court of law, I never assaulted a prisoner, even though I could have on more than one occasion. I never shot at anyone who didn't deserve to be killed, and I never lied in a report, or on the stand or to get a search warrant issued. Yeah, I tend to be on the side of LEO's and for a good reason. I could depend on my partners to watch my back and my life on more than one occasion was held in their hands, as theirs was in mine. Here is the clincher....if need be, I would of given my life to protect yours and I don't even know you. Can you say the same if it came down to it? That is the difference between all of you who want to criticize each and every move that LEO's make every day, and me. I have stood on the firing line with bullets hitting all around, and lived through it. I have also, stood at the casket of my brothers who sacrificed everything. Was it all worth it? I'm glad I'm retired.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:56 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Larry, I never get angry. I learned to control that emotion long long ago.
Hopefully your VN service medal is yours. I'd hate to think you display it and was not a recipient. I display mine with pride and honor as well.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:53 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Grant, I am not aware that you can buy your way into law enforcement. I am pretty sure that it is not the case here either. Maybe, to take all the pressure off of you, and especially so CJ won't worry about it so much, maybe the TW can ask Sheriff Glanz if Mr. Bates bought his way into their program.
Yes, this was a mistake, and yes money will be paid to the family, more than likely, whether it was a justified type shooting or not. Hope that clears up my comment as well.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:48 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
CJ, he asked a question, and I asked a question of him. Quite simple. It wasn't directed to you, so why worry?
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:46 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
John, if you can submit evidence that he bought his way into the program and especially just so he could shoot some bad guys I will cancel my subscription to the TW. However, remember this if you will. Slander will cost you, and he could turn around and sue you for those remarks you typed for all the readers to see.
Bounty Hunter posted at 8:41 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
CJ, I'm trying to figure out how you deciphered any of my posts to "meet" or "challenge" you or anyone else on here. I will state that if I feel you are wrong about a subject, whether LEO related or not, yes I will challenge your knowledge of policy or law for that matter, just as anyone else on here does. You, however, being a criminal defense lawyer as you say, tries to be the prosecuting attorney on these types of incidents, and I find that quite interesting. A normal defense attorney would do the exact opposite. Now, if you ask me whether or not I think the deputy should be charged with a crime, it depends on "all" the evidence given. Was the subject shot, attacking the other deputy? If so, he is committing a felony, and legally, he could be shot. Other than that, I'll wait until all the evidence is out, before making my decision. If your going to question my integrity bring your lunch and dinner. I can honestly say I never lied on the stand or in a report. Ever.
Jack E Smith posted at 5:16 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Maybe Bates can kick some money to Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpacio, and buy his way into a law enforcement TV show with Steven Seagal.
They could run tanks through folks houses and shoot puppies
Dianna Smith posted at 5:13 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
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Steven Minor posted at 4:36 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Tulsa sheriffs department. play fantasy cop with real guns! the more you donate the higher risk area we will put you in! Tulsa county will pay big on this one. or should I say Tulsa county tax payers will pay big!
Jack E Smith posted at 4:35 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
CJ Grant;
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Larry Knoles posted at 3:35 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Some people get vewy, vewy angry if you dare to criticize any police-like person.
Ever.
Larry Knoles posted at 3:33 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Since we're an impoverished people who can't or won't pay for professional law enforcement, I guess that volunteer wannabe cops is the best we can do.
John Smith posted at 3:05 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
I think the article made it pretty clear this is legal - which does not equate to being right or what is in the best interest of the community.
The article is intended to shed some light on details surrounding how a police officer may have murdered someone.
Robert Wilson posted at 2:48 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
The difference between me and the insurance executive who wants the power associated with LEO, (Sound familiar, Sarge?) is that I have no desire to run around with two weapons, that I can't tell apart by feel.
Glad you're retired, on a side note.
grant holm posted at 1:54 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
I'm sure Mr. Bates is a fine man but being a PO is such a serious occupation because everything you do can potentially be deadly. I just internalize going out on pstrol and shift Commander says Grant, Dave is riding with you, dont mess with him his dad owns the mayor[huh]
CJ Grant posted at 1:39 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
TCSO needs to forward this to the DA already.
It should be interesting to see what Steve decides to do. Make the politically unpopular, but correct, decison to charge Bates for negligently shooting a career criminal; or let yet another well, meaning, but criminally reckless man with a gun get away with killing someone.
CJ Grant posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
That's his MO. If anyone ever criticizes any police action, he makes it a point to proactively attack them personally, and never actually critically examine the instant incident involving police. He has no credibility on the subject.
Usually it devolves in him daring you to say something to an officer, or meet him and challenge him.
We're all very luck he's retired/fired from being an LEO, and just a computer bully now.
CJ Grant posted at 1:21 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Your now questioning the very existence of internet comments, when they disagree with your basic premise of cop=untouchable?
Why are you commenting on here if it's so pointless?
Ron Hill posted at 1:21 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Cindy, it's funny, as I was reading your comment, I at first didn't know whether you were talking about the deputy or the criminal who was shot...
Your premise works both ways, for both men....
brette pruitenski posted at 1:18 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
An officer who made a YouTube video of what's on his "duty belt" shows his stun gun on the left front of his belt and his service gun on his right. It's confusing how this reserve officer could have gotten the two guns mixed up if they were carried the same way. Are there set rules on what should be where on a duty belt?
Dwan Borens posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
So the question becomes why is it allowed? Were any rules broken? The article took us to the point that this may not be kosher but failed to declare it so. Re-read it.
grant holm posted at 1:08 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Mr Shed there was no question in my posts directed at you or anyone else on here, so why the snark? I'm retired (from that job) with an active OLERS acct, so I'm well versed, in policy and procedure. I had never heard of "donating" stuff to law enforcement
John Smith posted at 1:01 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
1 year backlog of psych evaluations?
John Smith posted at 1:01 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Sort of has a lot to do with it, you know, when you've been donating to the same organization that rubber stamps you into a position of power (enough to, you know, legally gun people down).
How dense are you?
John Smith posted at 1:00 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Yea Rick, those same words weren't quite what those folk were saying about the cop murdering that kid in cold blood because he didn't like him hanging out with his daughter.
Seems like we have selective pre-judgement.
John Smith posted at 12:58 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Not allowed? It's called a conflict of interest. You not understanding that is the truly mind boggling aspect of this discussion.
John Smith posted at 12:57 pm on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
It's actually not off-topic at all if you understood the reference.
People can be cop apologists all they want, but a line is crossed when you simply pay for the opportunity to shoot some 'bad' guys.
Cindy Keith posted at 11:59 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Excuse me... my dyslexia is showing... Mr. Neal!
Cindy Keith posted at 11:49 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Even the reserve deputy feels differently, Dean. He thought he pulled his taser, not his gun.
Rick Neal posted at 11:48 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
"RANDALL CHRONISTER AGREES"
Lol [beam]
Gerry Smythe posted at 11:47 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
In the more advanced parts of the country, the "Buy a Badge" programs have been eliminated due to liability issues...
...Is Oklahoma on the verge of entering the 21st century?
Bounty Hunter posted at 11:46 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
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Dwan
Some people feel that being old is nothing more than an excuse to just go lay down and die. At least the deputy is contributing something to society rather than hiding behind a liberal computer, talking the talk, but afraid of their shadow when it comes to walking the walk.
Bounty Hunter posted at 11:42 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Grant, why question us? Call the sheriff and ask him.
Bounty Hunter posted at 11:40 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
[offtopic]
As usual.
Randall Chronister posted at 11:28 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
He is too old to drive,think,reserve cop,anything....hit the rocking chair. RANDALL CHRONISTER AGREES
Jack E Smith posted at 10:45 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
"Make a contribution.....your chance to shoot the poor"
"History of the World-Part One"
Count De Monet - I have come on the most urgent of business. It is said that the people are revolting!
King Louis - You said it; they stink on ice.
King Louis - It's good to be the king.(rich)
King Louis - Of course ya do it. Everybody does it. I just did it, and I'm ready to do it again.
King Louis - They are my people! I am their sovereign! I LOVE Them. Pull! (shoots peasant flung into air) Drifting to the left...
Rick Neal posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Well, IMO... cut and dry. Obviously the guy was selling guns and ammo, he's an ex-con, he ran and fought with police. It's not a court of law I realize, but too late, he shouldn't have run and he'd had his day in court. Live by the gun, die by the gun. Good riddance.
Robert Wilson posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Time to take away grandpa's keys.
John Wesley posted at 9:44 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Whenever a reserve officer makes a mistake it seems like many are always more than willing to immediately criticize all of them, but no one ever mentions the hundreds of thousands of hours they donate annually across our state (most receive absolutely no pay). Some departments use them only for security at events and some use them in every division of their departments. No one ever mentions their service, with the exception of last year at Vaughn Foods and when they get killed in the line of duty.
grant holm posted at 9:42 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
I just wonder if Stanley Glanz would have hired Mr Bates if not for the money[unsure]
grant holm posted at 9:35 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
I was just trying to point out 2 things: I didn't know you could buy a job in law enforcement., and when mistakes are made taxpayers pay the bill. Don't read any more into it than that
Roy Thomason posted at 9:34 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Does an ex con deserve to be gunned down? Bates did not think he was using deadly force against a suspect. Your focus is what is wrong, the press is informing the public about how the reserve officer program works. I had no idea there were that many and were able to buy influence.
Roy Thomason posted at 9:28 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
There is no excuse for this. He lost his cool. Anyone who uses a gun should know how it feels in your hand, the weight, the balance, the feel. You should know by feel if the clip is full or not.
No excuse what so ever. He could have shot an innocent man, he got lucky in that he shot a black ex con high on pcp who has no one to stand up for him.
Iit should concern every citizen that 73 year old men, way past their prime, are taking part in high risk police work.
He should have been a school crossing guard and nothing more demanding.
Cindy Keith posted at 9:10 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Hold on a second... I'm googling whether Oklahoma is still part of America and if it is.... then there is that ol' innocent until proven guilty thing...
Dwan Borens posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Are wealthy people not allowed on the reserve force? Is making donations illegal? Do other middle class officers or non-offiers also make donations? The story implies that the wealthy are receiving a privelege, if so, state it. Prove it. Or not print something that leads to water.....
JC Barnes posted at 8:59 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
It sounds like an honest mistake and simply forgetting which weapon was in his hand at that moment. However tragic, the only culpable party should be the one that put him in that position.
Ray Chiang posted at 8:39 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
So another weannabe cop murders.
Pay to play.
Jack E Smith posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
No excuses, USA cops love to shoot people.................
U.S. Police Just Killed More People In March Than All Police Shootings In the U.K. Since 1900! (115 in March vs 52 in 115 years)
In the U.S., March’s total is 36 more citizens killed than the previous month.
Rick Neal posted at 8:31 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
So what if Bates has donated to law enforcement, get real.
A gun-runner on PCP, oh that's nice to hear he was running around the city.
Good riddance in my opinion.
George Monson posted at 8:29 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Dylan, draw your headline to a point for me.
Robert Wilson posted at 8:29 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Stanley Glanz is selling a license to kill?
Make no mistake, Harris was a bad guy.
Some people have no business dressing up as LEO and carrying a firearm.
TRAVIS WILLIAMS posted at 8:22 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
idiot
Cherie Cook posted at 8:12 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
Once again, this is inappropriate media hype, the focus is wrong, this deputy is donating his time, he made an honest mistake, against an EX-CON, who had already used EXCESSIVE FORCE, threatening the deputy's life! Whether of not he donates funds, as well is irrelevant & should not be in the headline at all. What social message are we sending, let's try and raise the bar in Oklahoma, shall we?
Barb Hauxwell posted at 8:11 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
This was my point as well Robert.
Larry Brown posted at 7:44 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
What does his financial situation or donations have to do with him being a reserve officer or with the incident? That information should not be considered when being investigated.
John Elwell posted at 7:26 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
I don't think it will go well for Reserve Deputy Bates.[sad]
Howard Levi posted at 4:33 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
"Before Bates was a reserve deputy, he served one year — from 1964 to 1965 — as a police officer, according to Tulsa police."
Serving only a year as a TPD officer seems curious . .
John Swofford posted at 3:39 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
I cannot help but feel sorry for poor Mr. Harris losing his life but I have to feel a lot sympathy for Deputy Bate’s lot too. No matter what it the courts decide, Bates will have to live with his mistake.
grant holm posted at 12:49 am on Tue, Apr 7, 2015.
A similar incident happened in Oakland and the officer was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Maybe Stanley Glanz should reconsider letting people buy a job with the Sherrifs office, since lives are at stake. And please don't forget that when you pay the man's family and you will settle with his family its not you that pays them Mr's. Glanz and Bates its the citizens
[sad]