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Anthrax fiat
Science should guide research
By World's Editorial Writers
Published:
12/1/2009 2:22 AM
Last Modified: 12/1/2009 5:22 AM
It's disappointing that Oklahoma State University President Burns Hargis has decided to stop planned anthrax research at the school.
OSU Veterinary medicine researchers have been told the Hargis won't allow National Institutes of Health-funded research into anthrax vaccines and treatment because it would involve the euthanization of baboons used in the study.
An internal faculty committee had spent more than a year setting out rules for the care and use of the animals in the research — which was slated to take place in a multimillion dollar lab at OSU designed for research on bioterrorism agents. But an OSU researcher says Hargis arbitrarily quashed the project without even consulting the faculty.
There are two reasons the decision is disappointing.
First, anthrax is a deadly weapon that has and could again be used by terrorists. The research is obviously in the national interest.
Second, memories of how earlier this year the wife of OSU benefactor T. Boone Pickens threatened to redirect contributions to the OSU veterinary school and successfully got the school to stop euthanizing animals in its teaching labs, naturally lead to questions about this decision. Legitimate science and the search for answers to pressing questions ought to be the school's guiding criteria in the decision-making process.
The damage to the world of science will be modest, we suspect. Some other school will likely pick up the project where OSU dropped it. We hope OSU's reputation in the scientific community doesn't suffer.
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Four Sixteen Rigby
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 5:50:35 AM)
Yep. My paltry money says this can be explained with two words:
Madeline Pickens.
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Michael Phillips
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 6:52:21 AM)
I wouldn't have connected these two stories had I not been reminded of the earlier story. Some people just don't know we are at war and that some people's love of animals may get some of us killed in the war on terror. Others just don't care that we are at war.
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richard waddell
, Bartlesville (12/1/2009 7:15:05 AM)
Let’s change the name from “Oklahoma State University” to “Madeleine Pickens Junior College.”
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Dr. Strangelove
, Las Vegas (12/1/2009 7:47:20 AM)
The real baboons are the ones making these idiotic decisions.
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fredsdad
, Tulsa, OK (12/1/2009 8:25:49 AM)
I am in shock that TW, who would wreck an entire world economy to save a polar bear, now wants to kill cute little monkeys.
This would not have been Burns Hargis' decision without a phone call from the palace.
It's good to be the queen.
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Loki
, Broken Arrow (12/1/2009 9:25:37 AM)
Seems unanimous. If contributions can corrupt the pristine academy, I wonder how they affect politicians? What's in your wallet? If its fat enough, public policy is in your wallet.
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lizzy
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 9:52:55 AM)
Oh sure...just kill the animals when you're done messing with them. It's not like they're incredibly intelligent creatures who share 90% of our DNA.
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zzx375
, BA (12/1/2009 10:39:34 AM)
"...It's not like they're incredibly intelligent creatures who share 90% of our DNA..."
Your cousins? :-)
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007
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 11:13:19 AM)
"it would involve the euthanization of baboons used in the study"
Well it beats the hell out of euthanization of people.
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fredsdad
, Tulsa, OK (12/1/2009 11:24:04 AM)
They not only share 90% of our DNA, they share well over 90% of the intellect of our local liberals.
My gosh! We could be killing the next Al Gore!
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Four Sixteen Rigby
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 11:46:30 AM)
lizzy:
Liz Wright, is that you?
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Royce
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 1:10:47 PM)
There's nothing quite so useless as Politically Correct medical research.
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richard waddell
, Bartlesville (12/1/2009 2:22:22 PM)
fredsdad, Keep in mind it wasn’t a liberal that made this dumb decision. Burns Hargis is a Republican politician.
Guess we shouldn’t be surprised he would kowtow to wealth.
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fredsdad
, Tulsa, OK (12/1/2009 2:31:23 PM)
RW,
As I said above, it's good to be the queen.
Hargis is indeed Republican. He is employed as president of TBPU, a privately owned, quasi-public university owned by Mr. and Mrs. Pickens.
If you don't believe me, ask Boone.
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richard waddell
, Bartlesville (12/1/2009 3:07:03 PM)
I do confess to some reservations about doing research on baboons. They do share a lot of human characteristics. If the research weren’t so important, I would probably agree with Madeleine.
I’m reading a book now, “The Age of Empathy” by Frans deWaal. The author describes some brain cells, VAN cells, that Humans share with other closely related primates. He writes:
“The cells … are found in a part of the brain critical for traits that we consider ‘humane.’ Damage to this particular part results in a special kind of dementia marked by the loss of perspective-taking, empathy, embarrassment, humor, and future-orientation. “
I’m wondering if this kind of brain damage could explain the attitudes and behavior of conservatives.
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Loki
, Broken Arrow (12/1/2009 3:55:50 PM)
Richard Waddell's point above resonates. I've been casting around for an explanation for the snarling incivility, racism and garish signs at Tea Party events and town halls. This theory might merit further study at a research university with high standards.....OSU?
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Thunder196
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 4:05:20 PM)
A gift does not have strings attached. If you don't trust their judgment to use it wisely, then you shouldn't have given it in the first place.
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cobweb
, (12/1/2009 4:16:02 PM)
Madeline Pickens needed a cause besides going shopping. Letting these nitwits influence OSU research is a crime.
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C SQUARED
, MANNFORD (12/1/2009 4:59:23 PM)
Its BECAUSE of the similarities in the baboons DNA that they are the test subjects.The test help understand how to help humans after being exposed to such agents as anthrax...what do want them to use goldfish,polo ponies,barbie dolls.Hope none of you tree huggers never need a doctor...O wait get in line at the Anthrax test site maybe they will send you home with a free baboon! Thanks for testing
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Four Sixteen Rigby
, Tulsa (12/1/2009 5:40:09 PM)
Loki:
That's SO funny! The last time anybody was beaten at a Tea Party type event, the people doing the beating were members of the Service Employees International Union. It was in St. Louis, MO. The person being beaten was a black man.
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fredsdad
, Tulsa, OK (12/1/2009 6:56:24 PM)
Boy, those tea parties and 9/12 rallies were really out of control. Police in riot gear, tear gas, grenades, fire hoses.
Oops!
Pardon my confusion!
That was the Democratic Convention.
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fredsdad
, Tulsa, OK (12/1/2009 7:17:35 PM)
Loki,
The study has been done. In the studies cited in the book which in turn was cited by rw, it was indeed discovered that baboons and other apes who will kill and eat their young, attack weaker individuals for no reason whatsoever, and delight in throwing their own bodily wastes at intruders, do indeed share a nearly identical frontal cortex with liberals. This is also the part of the brain that controls the behavior of going around with your hand out begging for money, explaining why apes and liberals make such excellent organ grinders. Both species (the liberal and the ape) were found to have under-developed parietal lobes, where intellect is found.
I found nothing at all surprising in the studies. It just confirmed that conservatives are substantially more highly evolved than liberals, who, it appears, will take several generations to catch up.
But take heart. We still find you vastly entertaining.
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Loki
, Broken Arrow (12/1/2009 9:36:53 PM)
Four Sixteen Rugby: I saw footage of that on television. The "Attacker" was a girl (like most service employees). And the Tea Bagger actually was a black gentleman lying on his back.
The claim of an attack was later debunked. "Mean" liberals being deemed too funny to report with a straight face. Although it might explain why the Tea Baggers insist on bringing guns to political rallies.
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Loki
, Broken Arrow (12/1/2009 10:09:20 PM)
Fredsdad: Happy to entertain (Only here would I be construed to be a liberal) Which says more about here than it does about me. BTW did Fred authorize you to use that screen name? Children are often embarrassed by their parents.
This may be the exception which proves your rule: How do you explain George W. Bush's strikingly simian features and behavior?
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand."
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Loki
, Broken Arrow (12/1/2009 10:17:57 PM)
I forgot the citation for ending quote....it was from Kurt Vonnegut.
One last thing Fredsdad, I believe it is actually illegal for conservatives to use the word "evolved" in this state.
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