Michael Phillips, Tulsa (11/25/2009 6:04:40 AM)

Dolores, I do think about it, a lot.

Elusive, Owasso (11/25/2009 6:13:08 AM)

Pithy letter Dolores, I'm sure deaths from abortion are less than full term births and your point is?

Willard_Roker, (11/25/2009 7:18:19 AM)

So Delores, will you join me in calling for birth control to be made available to everyone who has reached puberty in order to prevent unwanted pregnancy which in turn will lower the number of abortions?

2curious, Tulsa, OK 74104 (11/25/2009 7:21:18 AM)

So, Delores - your argument is with Barbara's confusing sentence structure?

grizz, tulsa (11/25/2009 7:26:49 AM)

Whatever the percentage is, it is still none of your or anybody elses' business, Dolly, unless you are the one who is pregnant.

Man in Tulsa, (11/25/2009 7:32:09 AM)

I may be a little slow, but I think I see Delores’ point, if the baby is carried to term there is a 100% chance that the baby and the mother will die at some point, if there is an abortion, again there is a 100% chance that the baby and the mother will die at some point. So if we want to have less deaths we should have fewer pregnancies.

Jeffrey Ehlers, Tahlequah (11/25/2009 8:55:02 AM)

In a pregnancy that results in the woman's death, the child usually dies as well. In a safe abortion, the woman usually survives.

Rather than see a useless statistic like "100% of all unborn children who are aborted die", I'd like to see an actual comparison of the number of women and unborn children who die when an abortion is done, compared to the number of women and unborn children who die when a pregnancy goes bad, in both developed and undeveloped countries.

And yes, opponents of abortion should be lining up in favor of pre-conception birth control. It is a far less troubling choice to decide to prevent a conception than to have an abortion.

But in many cases, all I see is "choose abstinence." The problem with that is that it requires ironclad self-control, which many people (and most adolescents) simply do not have. So let me throw this out as an open question to opponents of abortion: Why not support things like birth control and sexual education to the hilt, in order to keep young women from feeling they need to have abortions in the first place?

RC1936, St. Robert (11/25/2009 9:04:11 AM)

The choice shoud be made prior to conception. The very word NO comes to mind quite quickly. Then, if you decided to say yes there are still ways to prevent conception and most of them are quite cheap and easily came by. Abortion as a means of birth control should not just be the woman's decision, she's not the only one involved though many of you act as if she is. It is not only we who are against abortions who should be touting pre-conception birth control. It should be every woman who wishes to engage in sexual activities without the chance of conception. Once the child has been conceived the abortion becomes murder. Just say no and if not no, then use a condom or something along that line. Abortion is wrong and it matters not whose body it is.

cclinton, (11/25/2009 9:14:45 AM)

So we all agree that schools are the logical place to distribute condoms to teenagers?

H_Harl, (11/25/2009 9:19:14 AM)

i think the writers point is that there is always a death when an abortion is performed. the babys death. and what's with these people who seem to think birth control is so hard to get. you can get it just about anywhere. i know numerous women. all of them get it whenever they want it. including several teenage girls who get it. and condums are sold almost everywhere. cheap. so, that's not a good argument in my opinion.

H_Harl, (11/25/2009 9:21:56 AM)

cclinton...i do not agree that schools are the place to hand out condums. i don't think that's what schools are for.

H_Harl, (11/25/2009 9:22:23 AM)

condoms. sorry

redstatefeminist, Broken Arrow (11/25/2009 9:45:41 AM)

HH, many opponents of abortion, are likewise opponents of some particular methods of birth control, (which would reduce the numbers of abortions), because they view measures such as birth control pills,and the morning after pill,as "abortifacients", because these birth control measures prevent the fertilized egg, which they believe is the equivalent of a human life, from implanting itself in the wall of the uterus--the point at which a women actually becomes pregnant.
Their efforts to prevent women from obtaining these forms of birth control can be seen in the laws that have been successful in passing which says pharmacists do not have to fill prescriptions
for these particular types of birth control if they have a moral objection to filling a prescription for what they view as an abortifacient, i.e.,and early abortion method.
The pro-life agenda is rooted in the religious belief that women must be subservient and that they must be controlled. These particular beliefs mirror the very same beliefs held by the Taliban.

true2form, Grand Lake (11/25/2009 10:06:34 AM)

And people who use umbrellas stay dry when it rains.

H_Harl, (11/25/2009 10:16:02 AM)

redstate...i see the point you're making. but i don't go along with that line of thaught. i have no problem with women or men using whatever birth control they feel works best for them. i just don't think abortion should be used as a form of retroactive birth control. and it is all too often. and i don't beleive that just because of religion. i'm not THAT religious. it's just the way i feel about it. i work with 2 people who are athiests who feel the way i do. and my belief has nothing to do with wanting women to be "subservient". i just think there are certain things people, women and men, should not be able to do. however, i do think there are certain situations where an abortion should be an option. but a woman just not wanting to be pregnant shouldn't be one of those situations.

2ndjoyce, BA (11/25/2009 10:16:11 AM)

When responsible adults take precautions but the condom breaks or the pill was not the right strength then some of you say too bad? That is a cruel and hateful sentence for people who are trying to avoid pregnancy while behaving naturally in a relationship. Shame on those of you for trying to make such important life long decisions for others. You do not know everything!...

zzx375, BA (11/25/2009 10:36:46 AM)

"Your little plan of abstinence hasn't worked. EVER"

dusty,

How do you figure?

No touching is 100 percent effective at pregnancy prevention.

Just as the "Oh baby let's not use a condom...it's just not the same" is nearly a 100 percent guarantee of a pregnancy occurring.

The degree of difficulty is a separate discussion.

Ayo, T-Town (11/25/2009 10:57:04 AM)

>>>>>>>>>>> is nearly a 100 percent guarantee of a pregnancy occurring.

W R O N G!!!!!!!!

Let me guess..........you're a man?

Typical male opinion on the occurance of pregnancy. CLUELESS

Rick222, (11/25/2009 11:37:24 AM)

Trying to salve your own guilt, 2nd Joyce? Abortion is murder. Period.

Rick222, (11/25/2009 11:41:35 AM)

So dusty, blaming abortions on conservatives instead of the people that get them, huh? What else is our fault, while you are on the subject? What mother do you know that wouldn't sacrifice anything for the well being of the child. Yet millions of women would rather have their own comfort than letting their children live. That is their problem, and their decision, not anyone else's.

Jacky, small town Oklahoma (11/25/2009 11:46:37 AM)

2ndjoyce - good post

Jacky, small town Oklahoma (11/25/2009 11:48:53 AM)

Rick222 - maybe if you educated yourself on the whole picture you could see there are many more points to be made on this issue. The blame lies at the feet of those that think they have the right to dictate what a woman can do to her body. That should be no ones business except the person who wants or needs an abortion.

Now - get some education about the issue and we'll talk later...

2ndjoyce, BA (11/25/2009 11:51:53 AM)

Never had an abortion and never had to consider it, Rick222, if that's what you mean. But I completely understand if someone makes that choice. Things happen in this life and until a man has to carry a child for 9 months and then be basically responsible 24/7 I think men should quietly sit and listen to us before passing judgment.

Royce, Tulsa (11/25/2009 11:56:00 AM)

Mrs. Secrist writes: "Here's how I see it: Death from abortion is 100 percent! Think about it!"

Actually that's not quite accurate. It's happened that the child escapes his/her murderer's attempt on its life. It's a rare event,to be sure, but it has happened.

Albert Anastasia ran a gang known as "Murder, Inc." and the lawyers maintained that he was committing a felony. The only victims of Anastasia's enterprise were the mobsters who were killed for profit.

One can develop a pretty convincing argument that Anastasia and his gang were actually performing a valuable public service in killing organized crime goons.

Abortionists murder tiny, very adorable, babies for profit. It's kinda stupid to say that murdering violent criminals for profit is both immoral and illegal while maintaing that murdering tiny babies for profit is both moral and legal.

Corvetteguy, Tulsa (11/25/2009 11:56:41 AM)

As a conservative, I would point out three of America's greatest failures:

prohibition, Viet Nam, ........and banning abortions.

..........................sad,...but true.

....Have we learned those lessons?