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Coaches say Web hurt media relationship
OSU coach Mike Gundy, addressing the media Monday, said he’s been “bombed” with support. JAMES SCHAMMERHORN / For the Tulsa World
By JIMMIE TRAMEL World Sports Writer
Published:
9/25/2007 1:39 AM
Last Modified: 9/25/2007 2:05 PM
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There was a time when college football coaches and the reporters who covered them co-existed in a much more chummy atmosphere.
Back then, selected media members went to the homes of Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer and Oklahoma State coach Jimmy Johnson to socialize after games.
In light of recent events, that seems like an ice age ago.
The relationship between media and coaches has been headed down an increasingly dark path for years, and Mike Gundy's monologue following Oklahoma State's victory over Texas Tech was the eruption that seemed bound to happen somewhere.
But how did the working relationship between coaches and reporters get from Point A to Point Blow-up?
Technology played a significant role.
An explanation: Years ago, television exposure was limited and newspapers were content to print what happened in games, according to Missouri coach Gary Pinkel and Texas coach Mack Brown.
"And now, a half an hour after the game is over, if you are anywhere in the world, you know everything that happened in the game because of the Internet," Pinkel said.
Pinkel indicated that the media, looking for a fresh spin, shifted to analysis.
"So what's happened is peo ple are having to have different stories and they are more elaborate," Brown said.
"And negative stories seem to be more prevalent than positive stories, and coaches are about positives and therefore the jobs (of coaches and media) are definitely different. And coaches want to take care of their kids. . . . I think that has changed the relationship between the media and coaches across the country, and I don't see it getting better."
It's not getting better from a media standpoint, either. Because there is more media than ever before (including everyone with Internet access or a cell phone camera), coaches are putting up more barriers than ever before. And media members are forced to find new information pipelines because traditional info channels are shrinking.
Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops was asked about the state of the media-coach relationship. While indicating that he isn't talking about anyone in particular, Stoops expressed distaste for "sarcasm and belittling" in the media.
"And I think sometimes, too, what frustrates us is people that create news," he said.
"I had a parent call me two weeks ago about the same thing. 'How come they are calling me about my son transferring when he never said anything about that?' So they are calling and creating an article. I could see if the guy mentioned it, but he didn't. . . . I think that's what we have a hard time with."
Gundy made national news when he used his postgame press conference to defend quarterback Bobby Reid, who was the subject of a Saturday column written by The Oklahoman's Jenni Carlson.
Gundy said he did not have any regrets and said he has been "bombed" with support.
Meanwhile, some media members have rushed to the support of a colleague, including Dennis Dodd of CBS Sportsline.com and Football Writers Association of America president Mike Griffith of the Knoxville (Tenn.) News Sentinel, who released a statement that said, "I consider coach Gundy's behavior completely inappropriate. It shows a lack of respect for the media and doesn't speak well for the university and the fans that he represents. Coach Gundy's actions have brought national attention and further scrutiny to the situation that could have been handled in a more private and appropriate matter."
Asked about the growing division between coaches and media, Pinkel said, "I don't really look at it as a divide. I just look at it as reality. . . . With my players, it's education -- educating what has happened and how it has happened . . . and the credibility of the criticism."
But, said Pinkel, the media has got a job to do, too.
"And the dynamics have changed as I analyze it," he said. "I don't think it's personal in any way. I just think that's the way it is."
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What they’re saying
Big 12 coaches speak on the topics of media scrutiny and relationships with the media:
“I’mnot speaking about anyone in particular. I just think (in the media) there is more sarcasm and belittling or who can be funnier and embarrassing or putting someone down. I find it hard to read the sarcasm and those type of articles. I thinkMike (Gundy’s) point is ... these are, regardless of what anyone wants to say, they are student-athletes and they are not professional players and sometimes I think the ridicule, the way some people are writing articles or the way they talk about these kids, they don’t realize that some of themare 18, 19, 20 years old. .... Sometimes I think the sarcastic and the belittling isn’t called for.”
Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops
“We tell our players if it bothers you, don’t read it, and especially the Internet, because there are so many rumors and so many things on the Internet that are not true. ... Especially at a place like the University of Texas, you are going to be visible.Not everything is always going to be fair and you’ve got to deal with it. That’s life and it will really, really help you when you learn to handle criticism, fair or unfair, when you get out in your real life.”
Texas coach Mack Brown
“It’s part of athletics today. When you make a decision to play in Division I athletics, you are going to have to live with it.There isn’t anything you can change about it and it’s going to happen to you sooner or later no matterwhat and you just have to stay focused on what is important and what you have control of and have the knowledge that what you and your team and coaches know that are really the facts and moreso than anybody else knows.”
Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione
“I’ve been a head football coach 17 years and I think my second year at Toledo, which was 1992 or 1993, right around there, I’ve never read a sports page since, other than USA Today. I just focus on what I do. That being said, I have to know what my players (are dealing with).My (sports information director) does a great job of keeping me informed of what the climate is out there. I know what my players,what they are listening to and hearing what is going on.We have already handled that internally with our team. I think our team does a pretty good job.Over the years we have learned to kind of protect each other.”
Missouri coach Gary Pinkel
By JIMMIE TRAMEL World Sports Writer
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AM
, Tulsa (9/25/2007 6:13:45 AM)
Wait a minute, The President of the football writers said "M. Gundy's comments should have been handled in a private manner" so...is that on the front page of the Oklahoman sports page? Thta's where the article appeared, that's private. Go Gundy!!
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Brian
, (9/25/2007 6:39:13 AM)
The president of the FWA is a clown, plain and simple. The media is only concerned with causing crap when they can't find anything horrible to write about. Notice how he defends a woman I am sure he has never met? Private? Just like the poster above said, her huge front page article wasn't private. Reporting news isn't private. You call people 0ut in public, you get ripped in public. Thats how it is.
Turn on the news, its allmost all bad. Bad news sells, not good news.
As for the article, the woman is a hack and a joke that knows nothing about football. The same idiot wrote last year OU was doomed because Bob Stoops kicked Rhett Bohmar off the team and Paul Thompson was a bad QB. Funny 11 wins and a Fiesta bowl apperance and we are ranked #3 now. Shows how much she knows.
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Gil
, (9/25/2007 6:56:33 AM)
Rare comment for me as a die-hard OU fan:
"Way to go Gundy"!!
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Spence
, Dallas (9/25/2007 8:01:44 AM)
Mike Gundy can coach my son! I did not know much about him befor but now I know all I need to know.
The media has been out of control for a long time. They have no regard for our society and no one to answer to. A bad combination. I can rember when the media was a source of information, now all it amounts too is opinion and self serving motives in the disguise of journalism.
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Danny
, Smyrna (9/25/2007 8:04:46 AM)
"I consider coach Gundy's behavior completely inappropriate. It shows a lack of respect for the media and doesn't speak well for the university and the fans that he represents. Coach Gundy's actions have brought national attention and further scrutiny to the situation that could have been handled in a more private and appropriate matter."
Oh....we see! It's quite acceptable for the media to scrutinize, make false accusations, publish lies and innuendo all over the newspaper, TV and internet, but prefer to be admonished in private.
...and then have the GALL to talk about respect?!?!
This just goes to show the media is totally out of control -- full of their own self-worth and assumed power.
Well, screw the media types like Carlson and her defenders. They're obviously scum -- delusional, self-absorbed scum.
Mike Gundy's outburst was long, long overdue. Whether or not most coaches will comment on it, you can bet when they heard the tirade, they were doubling their fist and giving Gundy a mighty, "YES!!".
Coaches - 1
Media hacks - 0
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BA
, Tulsa (9/25/2007 8:27:59 AM)
I work with college students each and every day, some of whom are athletes. When Keith Burns was the head coach at TU, his student athletes were ripped day in and day out as not being worthy of playing Div. 1 college football. The media has forgotten what college athletics is about because of the money involved. Members of the media do not see these student athletes outside of the competitive arena like others do. Mike Gundy is right! If his players are screwing up off the field and making news that way, it's fair game. If they screw up on the field, its fair game, but keep it to the subject. Writing an article about someone's personal life that you have no idea about because you have not spent time with the young man is crap and tabloid journalism. The National Enquirer is your realm for writing Ms. Carlson because they churn out that crap each week. I challenge you to spend one month with any student athlete at the University of Tulsa to see how hard they work and how much more than just a football player or basketball player they are.
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David Taylor
, Sand Springs (9/25/2007 8:31:12 AM)
I consider coach Gundy's behavior appropriate...in fact maybe his tirade wasn't about the article at all....maybe it was a living example of the passion and fire you are supposed to live and play with!
NOW, HOPEFULLY THE TEAM WILL TAKE ON THE SAME FIRE, THE SAME FIGHT, AND THE SAME PASSION...just maybe...maybe we will some ball games this year!!!
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Willie Nelson
, IH 35 (9/25/2007 8:33:40 AM)
Finally we have some passion out of Stillwater and not excuses....
I'll bet after the Troy loss T. Boone layed into Gundy the same way Gundy layed into Jenni.
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Toby Keith
, Norman (9/25/2007 8:37:16 AM)
"I'll put a osu cowboy boot in your @$$...it is the american way!"
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Garth Brooks
, Owasso (9/25/2007 8:41:19 AM)
Gundy now has "Friends in Low Places"
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Jim Bullard
, (9/25/2007 9:01:17 AM)
I personally dont think Gundy is a very good head coach but i do respect the way he stood up for his Mr. Reid. The media believes that they can write anything they want and get away with it (look at the recent article in Muskogee) because of the 1st Amendment. I would like to see some new laws passed so the media couldnt just print anything they wanted. They should have to have a voice recording of any interview and if they just take bits and pieces of the interview out just to make the person look bad that person should be able to sue the newspaper and the "journalist" if they can not provide proof that the comments wasnt taken out of context just to slander the individual!!! OK im done with my rant now.
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WCO
, Tulsa (9/25/2007 9:36:27 AM)
Jimmy:
Time was when the OSU grads at the Tulsa World could gloss over the blemishes of their beloved Cowboys thereby 'accentuating the positive and eliminating the negative'. Time was that poignant, critical, and objective journalism was reserved for OU coverage only. Finally there is a journalist in this state with the guts to print the good, bad and the ugly about OSU. The unctous blarney coming from Rhett, Bill, John, Dave and you over the years was enough to gag a maggot! You go girl!
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Vernon
, Spiro (9/25/2007 11:07:00 AM)
I'm sick of Gundy and OSU Football. A half assed coach for a half assed team. Who cares what he thinks about the media? If you get your butt kicked by Troy, what do you expect?
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Tim
, Lake Dallas (9/25/2007 11:53:38 AM)
To show you how good a journalist Jenni National Enquirer Carleson is, Gundy told her that day what was disputed. Fact: Gundy said that it was untrue that Reid threatened to transfer if he didn't get the starting job. Fact: Donavan Woods was moved to saftey because we had better quarterbacks for Fedora's offence. Fact: Gundy called untrue that Reid didn't play hurt or the coaches thought him not tough. Those were the disputed parts of your falshood slanderous story. By my count that is 3/4 of you assertions. The sources you have: Do they have direct knoweledge of the coaches deliberations? Do your sources have any axes to grind? We don't know because you won't tell us your sources. By the way your credibility is crap anyway by the lousy article you wrote about the basketball program which was factually rebutted and we never got a retraction from the Daily Scandal. You may think you are the way up by walking on people up. You can never say you did it with integrity. I feel sorry for you.
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Bob Marley
, Kingston (9/25/2007 12:03:45 PM)
Get up! Stand up! Stand up for your rights! ...I know you don't know, what life is really worth!
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Former Journalist
, (9/25/2007 12:26:57 PM)
A newswriter must do more to succeed than recap the plays. Inside information and "scoops" are part of that. The problem for sensationalist writers who get it wrong is that they immediately lose the trust of their sources and readers. Then they won't get any inside info or "scoops" unless they make it up, and nobody will believe them even if they do. My guess is that this writer will not be getting any exclusive interviews or information anytime soon. Being limited to the game itself because nobody will talk to you is the death knell for a sports writer.
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Matt
, Chicago (OSU Alum) (9/25/2007 1:24:32 PM)
I'm outraged that she didn't directly contact Bobby or anyone else for comment? She didn't have the decency to let them give their side of the story – she just went on the attack! The whole thing is extremely unethical and I think The Oklahoman has a responsibility to own up to poor standards. I'm with Gundy on this one!
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Dennis
, Tulsa (9/25/2007 2:37:07 PM)
.....as the stoolwater turns.SOONERS 4-0 ! "BOOMER SOONER" !!!!!
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Dawn
, (9/25/2007 2:38:22 PM)
"I'm sick of Gundy and OSU Football. A half assed coach for a half assed team. Who cares what he thinks about the media? If you get your butt kicked by Troy, what do you expect?"
and that has what to do with the article written????
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Ron
, Chicago (9/25/2007 2:41:24 PM)
JENNI CARLSON's SOURCES REVEALED:
Rival and Scout message boards
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dsr
, Tulsa (9/25/2007 3:37:30 PM)
Mr. Bullard,
While I do believe journalists and editors have a responsibility to put accurate stories in the paper or on air... as to these laws you suggest, I assume these would be applied to the Internet also?
Actually, the laws you refer to do exist. They are slander and libel statutes. An obscure private citizen may claim libel or slander based on gross inaccuracy. But a public figure (which would include OSU players as well as Gundy) must prove "actual malice," meaning the reporter is intentionally publishing falsehoods in an effort to tarnish the individual.
A free media must also be free to make mistakes. It is up to the public to punish poor journalists by refusing to take them seriously, because credibility is all a reporter has.
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Ryan
, Sapulpa (9/25/2007 9:35:04 PM)
First I would like to say to all the Sooner fans that take every chance they can to crack on OK State to get some class, I will never understand why you have to bash one school to be a fan of the others. How about cheer for all except when they play one another. Number two it is classless and unresponsible for a writer to attack any student athlete personally such as that article did, no matter what school. If they are breaking the law or NCAA rules like some players in the past both at OK State and OU then thats fine they brought it upon themselves, but simply because they loss their starting job to crack on their personal life is wrong. Jenni why don't you have any kids are you a cold fish, do you have health problems. See its wrong and none of my business to get into your personal business.
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John
, Tulsa (9/25/2007 9:51:08 PM)
I am somewhat amazed that coach Gundy's behavior in his post game press conference seems to be getting more negative attention from the press than did Temple coach John Chaney's behavior at his 1994 NCAA Tournament press conference. On February 13, 1994, during his press conference he said "I'm gonna kick your ass!", and threatening to kill then-University of Massachusetts coach John Calipari, nearly assaulting him before security pulled him away.
Is Gundy getting more attention because he verbally attacked the press instead of only verbally and physically attacking a fellow coach?
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sctrojan
, (9/25/2007 11:49:12 PM)
As a Southern Cal fan who is in the state of Oklahoma I will say that we in the Trojan Nation back you up Gundy! Its funny that in L.A. which is home to sensational media thanks to Hollywood you would think Coach Carrol would have a problem. Yet somehow his California cool has always been there and so the media has been respectfull. As for last Saturday I bet Coach Carrol wouldve done the same thing because they are your boys when they sign up to go to school. Parents let these guys go far from home and they hope that these coaches look out for their well being and stand up for them if they have to. Now if the kid is cheating or stealing or has been arrested, I'm looking at you Texas fan, then the coach probably wouldnt stand up because the kid put himself in that corner. I hope that the team is fired up for the rest of the season and goes to a bowl game! I hope all three Oklahoma teams head to a bowl and as we say in the USC nation Fight On!
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Bill
, Coalgate (9/25/2007 11:55:18 PM)
carlson's piece opens with Reid, just after the Troy game, being fed his post-game meal of chicken by his mother. Hand-fed? Fork-fed? Regurgitated like a bird? The column never specifies. The image is so strange, random and personal that it needs more context.
At any rate, Carlson proceeds to use this image as a microcosm of Reid's essential problem: He's not mentally or emotionally tough enough.
Later, when Carlson writes, "Or does he want to be coddled, babied, or even fed chicken?" it's nothing less than a direct challenge of Reid's manhood.
To support this provocative, airtight central thesis, Carlson writes a paragraph that starts with "Word is..." and sentences that include "back stories told on the sly," "insiders say," and "rumblings and rumors." Nothing on the record from Gundy, a teammate, a trainer, a waterboy, a girlfriend, a dog, or a panhandler. Just these shadowy Pokes, dropping dimes for two cigarettes and a beer at Eskimo Joe's.
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