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UPDATED: OSU won't sell Bedlam single-game football tickets
Matt Barnes (above) better have his season ticket to see his Cowboys play in Bedlam this fall. STEPHEN HOLMAN/Tulsa World
By Bill Haisten, World Sports Writer
Published:
1/29/2008 2:12 PM
Last Modified: 1/29/2008 4:50 PM
Sports Editor Mike Strain's Blog:
"Oklahoma State’s strategy is clear when it comes to football tickets: The school wants to make money, and if that makes some fans mad in the process … well, that’s too bad for fans."
In order to witness the 2008 Bedlam football game -- Oklahoma at Oklahoma State on Nov. 29 -- Cowboy fans must purchase a $419 season ticket.
No single-game Bedlam tickets will be made available.
"Our decision to eliminate single-game tickets for Bedlam is based upon our desire to grow our season-ticket sales," OSU athletic director Mike Holder explained. "I just hope our fan base responds to this as a call to buy more season tickets."
On a per-game average, the price of an OSU season ticket basically remains the same. For six home games last season, the price was $359 ($59.83 per game). For seven home games this year, the price is $419 ($59.85 per game).
There will be no increase in the donation necessary to purchase club-level seats. For a club-seat season ticket (also priced at $419), a $1,500 donation to the Posse Club is required.
While Bedlam admittance is limited to season-ticket holders, single-game tickets will be available for each of OSU's other six home dates. Those tickets are priced at $85 for Big 12 games and $60 for nonconference games.
Said Oklahoma State associate athletic
director Craig Clemons: "We strive for balance between affordability, value and revenue considerations when it comes to setting ticket and donor seating prices."
Last season, the Boone Pickens Stadium seating capacity was 44,700, making it the Big 12's smallest venue. When the 2008 season begins, the seating-bowl construction of the west-end renovation will have been completed. The seating capacity will increase to 60,000, making OSU's stadium the sixth-largest in the Big 12.
Since 2004, OSU's per-game average on football tickets has risen from $37.50 to $59.85. In 2004, OSU set a school attendance record with an average of 46,805. The average since has declined -- to 44,860 in 2005, to 40,954 in 2006 and to 40,024 in 2007.
The 2007 Cowboys ranked 11th in the conference in attendance.
OSU has not played before a home sellout crowd since the 2004 Bedlam game.
The Big 12 mandates that visiting teams be given at least 4,000 tickets for conference games. For the 2008 Bedlam game, however, OSU will provide to the University of Oklahoma a total of 5,000 tickets. Those tickets will distributed by OU to its fans.
"If you want a single-game ticket for Bedlam," Holder said, "the only way you can get it is through the athletic department at the University of Oklahoma."
Before the 2007 season, Iowa State officials decided that there would be no single-game tickets for their most prominent home date -- a meeting in Ames with the rival Iowa Hawkeyes. As a result, Holder said, Iowa State's season-ticket sales total jumped to 36,000 (up from 30,000 in 2006). The number of Iowa State donors increased by 2,500, Holder added.
"Last spring, I became aware of what Iowa State was doing," Holder said. "I thought, 'Oh, that's interesting.' I saw how controversial it was, and I also saw that the results were positive.
"We make our decision with a long-term perspective. We hope to have similar results to Iowa State's. Selling season tickets is where your future is."
Last month, Holder explained that OSU's ticket-pricing policies are based on the need to increase operating revenue. "The only way to get that revenue is from our fans," he said. "The two primary sources we have are (ticket sales) in football and basketball. So we have to be aggressive in those two venues -- especially football."
This year, the Cowboys have seven home games for the first time since 2003. In 2009, OSU has eight home dates, including a season-opening meeting with Georgia.
By Bill Haisten, World Sports Writer
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Zach
, Tulsa (1/29/2008 2:30:40 PM)
Yea, follow the lead of that Big 12 "giant" Iowa St. If it worked to make their program so great, surely it will do wonders for T. Boone State.
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Brad
, (1/29/2008 2:33:47 PM)
So, the screwing of the OSU fan continues. I don't mind paying for a better product, but I don't think the record got any better, did it? Am I doing my math correctly? Is 7-6 the same as 7-6?
Yup, sure is. Prices continue to rise while product quality remains the same. Hmmm. Let me just go ahead and bend over so Mike can give it to me one more time!
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Wow
, (1/29/2008 2:38:41 PM)
Never thought OSU would stoop so low as to hold its own fans hostage. IF YOU DONT BUY SEASON TICKETS, YOU CANT GET BEDLAM TICKETS! Do you know what I think this means? People who really want to see Bedlam, and do not have season tickets already, but can afford it, will either a) not go to any other games (empty seats still) b) sell the tickets for the other games to others (if there is any demand). I don't think this is the answer.
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sylvia thomas
, muskogee (1/29/2008 2:49:11 PM)
does this include the student section and the students tickets???
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what
, tulsa (1/29/2008 2:50:03 PM)
let's see...we can't sell tickets on the quality of the program so let's MAKE them buy tickets if they want to see a quality program. great logic there.
Maybe it worked at Iowa State but ask TU what happened with OU coming in. Season ticket prices more than doubled in some instances last year since OU was coming to town. Enough people did not renew with the logic that they will just buy single game tickets to all the other games that it forced TU to come back to them and offer season tickets minue the OU game for the previous years price, minus the OU ticket cost.
I was one of them, but I was not going to pay a >$200 premium on the season to see OU...
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College football fan
, Tulsa (1/29/2008 2:58:00 PM)
Yeah Iowa State's sales might have jumped 30 percent but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't take very many ticket sales since I'm sure it was slim pickens (boones brother) to begin with. Ok State just don't support there athletic very well on a consistent basis. Look at mens basketball this year, attendence is way down due to a slumping team and there supposed to be a basketball school. OU football could be 0-13 and still draw 70 plus thousand. Bottom line is you have to have a product before you raise ticket prices or decide to sell certain glames in a package format.
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Gary
, Claremore (1/29/2008 3:12:22 PM)
Let me see if I understand this.
OSU cannot sell out their stadium so they enlarge it. The only game they ever sell out is OU, so they develop a pricing plan so no one from OU will go so they will not sell out that game either.
Only difference is they have 18,000 more empty seats then before.
Since T-Boon and his hand picked AD and coaches got there, a once proud athletic program and middle of the football program have become an embarassment. I hope they take the Oklahoma out of their name and give it its real name T. Boone U.
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Bill
, Stillwater (1/29/2008 3:18:31 PM)
We can show Mike we won't be held hostage!!!! Stay home watch it on tv. along with the one other game that might get on Tv. You don't have to rob from your fan base who have supported the team to get fans out. You need Performance!!!!!!! Mike and T Boone come form the same box Flakes.
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OSU alum
, Mannford (1/29/2008 3:20:21 PM)
Where in the article does it say that there were actually more people in the stadium for those "other" games? Is the object to sell tickets(get more money) or get people in the stands?
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I'll watch it thank you
, Tulsa (1/29/2008 3:20:38 PM)
Maybe I missed it, but did the article mention how many season tickets were sold for the '07 season? Using the Iowa State numbers for sales as a baseline for OSU ticket sales and the newly expanded Boone Pickens stadium capacity, that would leave only 24,000 empty seats (minus whatever tickets are purchased by Sooner fans). That will look great for a national broadcast.
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Thereal
, A place where $419 is pocket change (1/29/2008 3:25:35 PM)
Brad, the prices didn't go up. There's an additional home game (7 next year vs 6 last year).
For all the others commenting on this article, POOR SOONERS. Get a better job or hold off on buying a few 2000 Nat'l Champs t-shirts at walmart. Better yet, take the cash that W is going to send you and buy some OSU season tickets.
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Doug
, Sapulpa (1/29/2008 3:31:15 PM)
OSU just doesn't want OU fans to buy up all those 16,000 seats. Gotta try to find an advantage any way they can. OSU is slowly ticking everyone off, even parents of players on the team don't like what's going on up there. This move right here is going to backfire like crazy. And loosing 16000 individual ticket sales @ $70 bucks a pop will cost the Athletic Dept about 1.1Million Dollars. Way to go Holder those puppet strings are tied on tight.
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Lizzie
, Oklahoma City (1/29/2008 3:36:27 PM)
And that kids is the reason Mike Holder got fired.
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alum
, tulsa (1/29/2008 3:36:28 PM)
what about those families that can't afford 3, 4 or 5 season tickets? Hope all fans who used to buy one or two games a season can hope to get in on the OU single game sales. T Boone first made my dad "retire" when he tried to buy out Phillip 66 in mid 80's. Now he's pushing the rest of the family out of supporting OSU. Guess i'll say Go TU this year!
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Doug
, Sapulpa (1/29/2008 3:40:21 PM)
Thereaal,
That sort of sounds like all the OSU fans still buying their 38-28 shirts. At least those National Championship shirts were for a real championship.
Tradition builds fan bases not a facelift on the stadium and routine 7-6 records. T Boone if you build it they don't always come.
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Thereal
, A place where $419 is pocket change (1/29/2008 4:05:27 PM)
Doug,
I'll be at the game. I am an OSU fan. I buy season tickets. This new policy will have NO effect on me. It's these gomers who are whining because it's a new day and they won't be able to buy a single game ticket to the game.
I love it. It's the best move Holder has made to date. I don't care if there are 10,000 empty seats at the game. That's 10,000 less gomers at the game.
ps, I don't wear t-shirts. They're peasantish.
pps, If your t-shirt for that real championship is wearing out, just run on down to wal-mart and get another. Just be sure to save your pennies if you want to see me at the game next fall.
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darrin
, tulsa (1/29/2008 4:15:04 PM)
ya once a again OSU fans take it in rear!
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John
, Tulsa (1/29/2008 4:46:49 PM)
BFD, we have more seats, ticket holders giving tickets back due to price increase, we couldn't sell out the "OLD" stadium, coach record below .500, team record is terrible, GREAT IDEA HOLDER lets make sure we can't sell out. WON'T BE LONG TILL GUNDY'S GONE, HOLDER SHOULD BE FIRST TO GO.
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Mike Thurman
, Broken Arrow (1/29/2008 4:53:41 PM)
Thereal,
Congratulations on becoming a rich snob!
I am so happy for you that $419 is "pocket change" for you.
I am a proud OSU alum ('94) but honestly I cannot justifyably afford $1,257.00 on 3 sets of season tickets (for my 2 sons+myself). Not to mention the $1,500 donation added on if we want 'good seats'.
I feel the university has just shoved regular, middle-class fans out of the way.
I can just see it now, a mega-million dollar stadium half filled with elitist snobs!
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T Bone
, (1/29/2008 5:20:29 PM)
Agree with you Mike. There are a lot of retired OSU Fans that cannot afford these ticket prices, even if they live close to Stillwater. Have a feeling that there will be a lot of empty seats in BPS this coming year. Had planned on renting an apartment in Tulsa or Stillwater during the 2009 football season, but am rethinking my plans. A $60 ticket in the end zone; forget it.
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Fred
, Tulsa (1/29/2008 5:30:54 PM)
The ones taking it in the shorts are OSU fans like me that can't afford season tickets plus a "donation" and would like to support OSU at the bedlam game. I guess the powers at OSU think getting rid of the less well-off OSU fans is worth it if they also get rid of OU fans at the bedlam game.
You would think with all of T Boone's money, OSU would use some of it to help the regular OSU fan instead of using it as an excuse to gouge them even more.
I suppose I'll be buying individual tickets to a game with a brilliant football program like Iowa State.
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Stacey
, Tulsa (1/29/2008 5:35:16 PM)
This is absolutely outrageous... I've had it with my alma mater's pure greed. screw em.
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Doug
, Sapulpa (1/29/2008 5:51:30 PM)
Thereal,
Yea I guess you are better than I am. I'm sure you are a real bigshot. Let me guess...you think you are a big fish in a little pond. You are so proud of your Cowboy herritage. Probably bitter because your OU grad boss doesn't pay you whant you think you are worth. I'm so glad that I had a few days off from work to read the worthless spew from some "Holyier than thou" Cowboy fan. Have fun at your high society job and your classy school. I'll be happy to get to take back to the skies tomorrow in my office.....The cockpit of a 737
Oh and just so you know....My OU season tickets are in Sec 5 row 62 Boy it sure is nice hanging out in the Santee Lounge before kickoff.
By the way Target has OSU polos 50% off....since you don't wear T-shirts. They've been marked down for months
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Doug
, Sapulpa (1/29/2008 5:54:04 PM)
Fred,
You are from Tulsa. There's always the Golden Hurricane. Besides, their fans have more class!!!
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Doug
, Sapulpa (1/29/2008 6:05:40 PM)
Thereal,
You do understand that these gomers you speak of, some of which are OSU grads, are intrigul to the financial success of your program. Yes they buy tickets and attend games when they can. Like one guy said he can't afford to buy season tickets for the whole family. My point being, when the school starts to do things that isolate their fan base, the fan base leaves. In turn the former fan base stops buying liscensed gear for that respective school. The school loses money. You think Texas is as big a school just because of big $$$ donors? One day Mr. Pickens wont be around to hand over any more gifts. Who's gonna support the program then? I agree that large gift donors are needed, but so is the middle class fan base. Your elitist without results additude is the very thing that will crumble the OSU athletic Dept.
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