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UT should be above OU
 
By JASON WHITLOCK McClatchy Newspapers
Published: 12/1/2008  2:27 AM
Last Modified: 12/1/2008  3:02 AM

THIS BEING AMERICA and all, I'll never understand the near-violent opposition to sportswriters settling college sports' No. 1 debate at the ballot box.

There should be no surprise that Associated Press and Harris Poll voters picked the right team in the Oklahoma-Texas debate. Meanwhile, the coaches' poll and I'll presume several computer rankings screwed up the Big 12 South standings, giving the Sooners a slight edge in the BCS standings and sending them to the Big 12 title game at Arrowhead Stadium.

The AP poll is composed of mostly legitimate journalists. The Harris poll is made up of a mixture of journalists, former coaches and players.

AP and Harris voters could comprehend a simple, unavoidable fact: On a neutral field, Texas beat Oklahoma 45-35 this season.

There's nothing left to debate. It doesn't matter that Oklahoma's nonconference wins are more impressive than Texas'. It doesn't matter that Oklahoma is playing "better" football at the end of the season.

Texas beat Oklahoma.

I don't care about the three-way tie, and the fact that Texas Tech beat Texas. We're allowed to use common sense when deciding a complex situation.

The Red Raiders lost a game by 44 points this season. The Red Raiders barely beat Baylor this season. The Red Raiders needed a last-second touchdown to beat Texas.

Tech had a magical year, beat up a bunch of cupcakes early and hung on for an 11-1 season. It's a fluke. Oklahoma exposed the Red Raiders and Mike Leach's gimmicky offense.

There was one primary question to debate Sunday morning when filling out a ballot: Texas or Oklahoma?

Journalists answered appropriately. The AP and Harris had Alabama No. 1 followed by Florida, Texas and Oklahoma. The coaches were wrong twice. They ranked Alabama No. 1 followed by Oklahoma, Texas and Florida.

The Gators should be No. 2. Their one loss—a 31-30 defeat at the hands of Ole Miss — was far more flukey than Texas' or Oklahoma's.

Florida turned it over three times against Ole Miss, and the Rebels scored 31 points despite gaining just 10 first downs. And I have to believe Florida has faced stouter defenses in the SEC than what the Sooners and Longhorns have seen in the Big 12.

My main point is that it's criminal Oklahoma will get to play for the Big 12 crown and not Texas.

Everybody allegedly wants a playoff system, but it appears we reserve the right to ignore what happens on the field when it suits our purpose.

(Unfortunately, this includes sportswriters, too. I never agreed with my peers when we gave 12-1 Florida State the 1993/94 AP national championship over an 11-1 Notre Dame team that beat the Seminoles.)

We've set the stage for a split national champion.

Oklahoma is likely to thrash Missouri on Saturday. I'll take Florida over Alabama in the SEC title game. We're going to have two one-loss teams in the BCS championship game — probably OU and Florida — and a one-loss national champion.

Texas should slap Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl.

If Florida routs Oklahoma, then the Gators will more than likely be No. 1 in the final AP poll. If the game is close or Oklahoma wins, then a strong case could be made for Texas (or even USC) winning the final AP vote.

A perfect world for the Big 12 would be a BCS title for Oklahoma and an AP title for Texas.

I'm rooting for Texas. The Longhorns earned a Big 12 title on the field (they've already smacked Missouri), and they deserve a shot at the national title. And I'm a Bob Stoops fan and someone who still believes the state of Texas ruined the Big Eight.

MACK TALK



Texas coach Mack Brown on the Sooners getting into the Big 12 championship game: “Going into the last couple of weeks, we knew that a good team was going to be left out of the Big 12 championship. Unfortunately, in this situation, it was us. “It is what it is. We don’t like it, we don’t agree with it or think it’s fair, but, like anything else, we’ll handle it and move forward.”

Brown on other leagues’ tiebreaker rules, mainly the SEC:“I think their systems are fairer and give more credit to how the two highest ranked teams performed against each other on the field.”
By JASON WHITLOCK McClatchy Newspapers

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CL. 69, Claremore (12/1/2008 6:46:02 AM)
Poor Texas. I agree that Texas got screwed, but its over now and OU is the team. Get over it Texas!! Texas needs to root for an OU national title now for the BIG 12.
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YeahThatsMe, Bixby (12/1/2008 7:15:36 AM)
What about the fact that Texas NEEDED OU to beat OSU and they NEEDED OU to beat Tech just to force a 3-way tie and be considered for the trip to KC? Without OU taking care of business down the stretch, TT would be the one going to KC, not Texas!!
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Joshua77, Tulsa (12/1/2008 7:26:24 AM)
Wow this is amazing! The coaches, who do this for a living, got it wrong twice. And the self righteous journalists, most of whom have probably never even coached a Pop Warner football team, got it right. I didn't realize that journalists knew more about football than the coaches do. I guess we should all bow down to the mighty journalists for they are our beacons of all the correct information that can can be found in the world. Everyone else is just stupid. WHATEVER!!!
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texasbill, (12/1/2008 8:11:14 AM)
just stupid
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Photog, (12/1/2008 8:55:26 AM)
OK, Jason, you're actually writing a story to tell us that journalists (primarily you) know more about football than Div 1 coaches????? Except of course for those coaches that vote with an agenda that you agree with.
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tulsaOUfan, Tulsa (12/1/2008 9:33:44 AM)
First, it's a three-way tiebreaker between OU-UT-Tech, not a head-to-head tiebreaker between OU-UT. If it was really just a head-to-head tiebreaker between OU-UT then of course UT would go. Second, it's UT's own fault for losing to Tech. If you lose and that puts you into a tie then you can't blame anyone else but yourself if you then lose the tiebreaker. Third, if you really insist on throwing OU out because they lost to Texas, then you have to apply the same rule to Texas and throw them out because because they lost to Tech.
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cbehles, Tulsa (12/1/2008 9:50:52 AM)
Look at it this way, Texas needs to stop crying about the way things turned out. The decided their own fate. They beat OU, fair and square. OU was out of the running for the Big 12 South and National Title. Then Texas looses to TT!! Bringing OU back into the picture.
I don't understand how TT became overrated just because OU beat them by 44 points. It was a 3 way tie!! The fact that they did beat Texas with 1 second left just shows that they got beat by a team that has been labeled overrated. If TT was that bad of a team then UT should have crushed them. Some teams just have a bad day on the field but don't dismiss the fact that it was a 3 way tie and UT decided their own fate!!!
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The Real Joe Dolty, TULSA (12/1/2008 9:51:41 AM)
We certainly have some whiny Texass fans and that includes this whiny journalist from Texass. If Texass wanted to go to the championship game they shouldn't have lost to Texass Tech.
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The Real Joe Dolty, TULSA (12/1/2008 9:53:50 AM)
Good point cbehles. If Tech is overrated then Texass must be even more overrated because they are rated higher than Tech, who beat them.
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The Real Joe Dolty, TULSA (12/1/2008 9:57:04 AM)
And I, for one at least, believe Alabama has a real good chance to beat Florida who has really had a bye on the schedule (kinda like Texass did).
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The Real Joe Dolty, TULSA (12/1/2008 10:01:59 AM)
Oh, BTW, a good friend is treating him and me to the Big 12 champ game tickets and hotel for an early xmas gift. I'm really looking forward to it. It sucks not to be me, doesn't it? HAHA
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Redmen, Tulsa (12/1/2008 10:40:20 AM)
Should, Coulda, Woulda whatever all the whinning about what took place doesn't change a thing now so SHUT UP! OU had nothing to do with how things turned out but win FB games. Don't give the Head to Head w/TexASS unless you include the head to head game TexASS/T-TECH.

ACtually Mack Brown's prayers were answered in spite of all the prostituting of TexASS so shamlessly...................GOD did do the right thing!
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bob j, New Braunfels (12/1/2008 10:46:22 AM)
This is from the same Whitlock that says Ball State deserves a BCS bowl...that they are being disrespected along with their quarterback. He is obviously one of those "journalists" that knows how to vote 'properly' in polls. Good grief! And if Jason is a voter, yes it does matter how good the opponents are during the season. According to Jason and his experts, Texas Tech could not be beaten after finishing off Texas. TT was now 'over the hump'. After OU dismantled TT, the Red Raiders aren't worthy of anything?? And it doesn't matter that OU beat OSU in Stillwater by 13 (with a late 7 added on due to poor tackling) but Texas only won by 4 in Austin?? Heck, take away two great acting performances by McCoy to gain 30 yards, keeping drives alive, and make Ryan Reynolds healthy for the entire game, and we aren't having this discussion. Go away Whitlock...and don't go across town to the game next weekend. Watch it on TV and pretend you saw everything.
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independent, (12/1/2008 12:01:41 PM)
All you Texass pansies, including Whitlock, stop crying! The BCS is just a fancy version of the same polls that we've always used, AP and UPI. The rule before BCS was if you're going to lose, do it early. OU lost early, Texass lost later. Too bad.
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Norman Bates, Bates Motel (12/1/2008 12:04:24 PM)
It comes down to simple mathematics

44 + 6 > 10
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maggie, Tulsa (12/1/2008 12:11:24 PM)
While Mack Brown is correct that a good team is left out, there is something bigger here--sportsmanship or showmanship. OU had their starting quarterback in the game throwing passes when each of the last two games were in hand--especially against Tech. However, UT had their second string in against A&M in the fourth quarter. Stoops wonder why people accuse him of running up the score--it is obvious. However, Stoops also obviously knows how to make the computers hum in awe.

Now, it is up to OU not to go stink up the place like they have done in some of the previous years. The rest of the Big 12 needs for them to win, even if we get tired of their antics.
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shortygreen , (12/1/2008 12:20:19 PM)
Some flakey penalties against OU (touching Texas QB out of Bounds), An interception by OU in the end zone not allowed, two blocks in the back by Texas not called by the referees on Shipley's kickoff runback and then the score would have been different.
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stxsooner, (12/1/2008 12:40:02 PM)
The real crime is that journalists succumbed to the politicking by Mack and UT, moving UT over OU immediately following the most difficult road win by any of the teams tied for first. But "journalists" love polictiking because it sells their product.
Had OU not defeated both Tech and OSU, the team you describe as a fluke would be in the conference championship game. Under your "logic", had OU beaten Tech by only 1 point in Norman, OU would be more deserving because there would be a real 3 way tie. Sorry, I am not buying what you are selling.
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bob j, New Braunfels (12/1/2008 1:00:18 PM)
Maggie, Maggie, Maggie. You should watch the games before you comment on them. Bradford was nowhere around in the 4th quarter against Tech. Joey was quarterbacking the 4th against Tech and also in the other blowouts. Colt McCoy had at least one series in the aTm game in the 4th quarter. We were wondering why Colt was still in since he had been getting knocked around alot. And, when Sam has been in, he's been handing the ball off, not airing it out. He only threw 19 passes in the Tech game. Do you call it good sportsmanship when your coach goes on TV and pleads with the voters to only look at the head to head matchup between the two teams. Was it good sportsmanship when Mack pleaded with the voters to see that they should jump California to play in a major bowl a few years back? I'll take Stoops any day and the high road that he walks on. What sucks for me is I went to LSU...I'm stuck with Les Miles and his band of nothing.
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Soonurz, Omaha (12/1/2008 1:12:26 PM)
Maggie - your misinformed. Watch a game before you comment. Bradford has played little if any game into the 4th quarter. In the end it's not fair that Bob should have to pull starters after the 2nd quarter when OU is up so big on the opposition. It's not like they were Florida Atlantic, Rice or UTEP.
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Lawrence, Tulsa (12/1/2008 2:06:21 PM)
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Lawrence, Tulsa (12/1/2008 2:09:14 PM)
And it doesn't matter that OU beat OSU in Stillwater by 13 (with a late 7 added on due to poor tackling)
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Actually, he wasn't touched. Wide open hole in the line. And if Gundy would have stopped calling timeouts the clock would have run out before the ball was snapped.
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Dewd, (12/1/2008 2:13:33 PM)
Texas should be above Oklahoma in the BCS because Texas beat Oklahoma. In which case, then, Texas Tech should be above Texas because Texas Tech beat Texas.

But, hey! Come back here! that ain't right! Texas should be above Texas Tech! Everybody knows that, so here's how we'll work it.

We have a postulate that won't play in Peoria, ergo, we pretend that Peoria doesn't exist. I mean, really, Peoria isn't a really big city, and besides, it's colder'n heck there now.

But, you know, I'll always remember the magic play that defeated mighty Texas. Holy feces! It was an almost impossible play. I thought it was a desperation thingy, a veritable "Hail Mary."

But, think about it. An undefeated football team, just like the Texas Longhorns, was fighting for the same thing that Texas was fighting for. Moreover, if Texas was so much better than Texas Tech, the game would've been out of reach at that late stage of the game. A touchdown wouldn't have meant defeat.

But here's the point to be made by this silly dissertation. Peoria really does exist. I've been there, and the play that took mighty Texas down wasn't a desperation play after all. It even has a name. It's name is "Thick," and executing it requires a finesse that elevates the definition of "skill" to levels of new departure.

The Tech QB and wide receiver knew what they were doing. They had done it before. Michael Crabtree, a freshman, takes a strategic position near the sideline, so near that a defender would be out of bounds to defend against a pass. Harrell throws a deadly strike where only Crabtree has a chance to catch it and be in bounds. The rest is forgotten history.

So, sport fans, don't cry for the longhorns, Argentina. Texas Tech defeated Texas fair and square, and if Texas "should be above Oklahoma because they beat Oklahoma," then Texas Tech should be over Texas for the same reason. Texas Tech defeated Texas, and Peoria really does exist.
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Dad, Up North (12/1/2008 2:18:58 PM)
OU vs horns in the Big 12 championship game.......simple.
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maggie, Tulsa (12/1/2008 3:17:38 PM)
bobj and soonurz,

In the fourth quarter with 13 minutes left with the score OU 58 and TT 14, Bradford passed to Broyles for a touchdown. The backup quarterback was put in by Bob "run up the score" Stoops after that. It would seem a six touchdown lead against a team that has been dominated would be enough but no. Maybe you should have watched the game until the end.
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