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Potential for a split AP crown, voters say
Writers are consdering Oklahoma, Florida, Utah.
By BILL HAISTEN World Sports Writer
Published:
1/7/2009 2:27 AM
Last Modified: 1/7/2009 2:38 AM
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It's a given that Oklahoma or Florida will capture the Bowl Championship Series national title.
But there is an additional national championship — the Associated Press national title, awarded since 1936 — and for that distinction the Utah Utes seem to have emerged as contenders.
For the first time since 2003, when LSU won the BCS title while Southern Cal finished first in the AP poll, there could be a split national title.
"I'm leaning heavily toward putting Utah at No. 1," said Steve Conroy, a Boston Herald sports writer and one of the 65 media members who comprise the AP voting panel.
Until the advent of the BCS in 1998, the AP title was considered the gold standard in college football. The five remaining viable candidates for the 2008 AP championship:
Florida. The SEC champion Gators (12-1) are No. 1 in the AP poll and face Oklahoma in Thursday's title game.
Oklahoma. The Big 12 champion Sooners (12-1) are No. 2 in the AP rankings. OU is a seven-time national champion, and in each of those seasons (1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000), the Sooners were No. 1 in the final AP poll.
Texas. The third-ranked Longhorns (12-1) closed their season in Monday's Fiesta Bowl, rallying for a 24-21 triumph over Ohio State. "I don't think there's
anybody in the country that can beat us," Texas quarterback Colt McCoy said.
Southern Cal. The fifth-ranked Trojans (12-1) popped Penn State 38-24 in the Rose Bowl. "I don't think anybody could beat us," USC coach Pete Carroll said.
Utah of the Mountain West Conference — a conference not among the leagues whose champions are guaranteed a BCS Bowl berth. As an at-large Sugar Bowl participant, the seventh-ranked Utes (13-0) recorded a 31-17 win over favored Alabama. Was it enough for Utah to zoom past Texas, Southern Cal and the OU-Florida winner in the final AP poll? "There is only one undefeated team in the United States of America right now," Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said.
The resounding nature of Utah's Sugar Bowl victory seems to have impressed AP voters.
The Tulsa World contacted nine voting sports writers from throughout the country, and six of them — Conroy, Doug Segrest of the Birmingham (Ala.) News, Mike DeArmond of the Kansas City Star, Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman, Jason Franchuk of the Provo (Utah) Daily Herald, and Jim Mashek of the Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss. — indicated that they would at least consider Utah for a No. 1 vote.
Two additional writers — Molly Yanity of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and Mark Anderson of the Las Vegas Review-Journal — spoke favorably of Utah in the Salt Lake Tribune.
Yanity: "If I were to vote today, it'd be for Utah."
Anderson: "I am leaning heavily toward voting Utah No. 1, and I definitely will put the Utes ahead of USC. Getting it done on the field has to count for something, and it's hard to deny the Utes after what they just did to Alabama. That was no fluke victory."
Bohls, a columnist who covers Texas and the Big 12 for the American-Statesman, said this of the Utes: "Utah is unbeaten and beat four Top 25 teams — two of them in the Top 10 — and handled Alabama more convincingly than did Florida. At this point, I'm strongly considering Utah and (the OU-Florida) winner. Either that, or put them all in a hat and pull one name out."
In the final regular-season poll, 24 of the 65 AP voters had Utah at No. 8 or worse. Five voters — including Sports Editor Mike Strain of the Tulsa World — placed the Utes at their highest position of No. 5.
"Ultimately, for me, it's either Oklahoma or Utah. Florida isn't in my picture because they lost at home (to Ole Miss)," Franchuk said. "I'm going to watch the Oklahoma-Florida game, and I'll think about it after that, but right now I am leaning toward giving Utah my No. 1 vote.
"The way Utah jumped out to the early lead, and then responded when Alabama pulled within 21-17, I became convinced that Utah is a really good team. Utah is legitimate."
Another voter, Joe Giglio of The News & Observer of Raleigh (N.C.), says Utah's Mountain West Conference overall does not compare to what Florida faced in the SEC and OU in the Big 12.
"Take a peek at the bottom of the MWC standings," Giglio wrote in his blog. "Not exactly the same test either Florida or Oklahoma navigated."
In the 72-year history of the AP poll, 18 bowl games have matched teams ranked No. 1 and No. 2. In those games, the record is 9-9 — nine wins for the top-ranked team and nine for the No. 2 team. The winner of each of those 1-vs.-2 contests wound up as the AP national champ.
So if Texas, Southern Cal or Utah were to vault past the OU-Florida winner in the final AP poll, it would be unprecedented. It would result in a split national title for the 12th time since 1950 (when the United Press International poll joined the Associated Press poll as being university recognized).
This season's final AP poll is expected to be released within four hours of the end of the OU-Florida showdown.
Split national titles
In 11 seasons since 1950, when the United Press International poll joined the Associated Press poll as being university recognized, two college football teams have been recognized as national champions:
Year
AP
Coaches*
2003
Southern Cal
LSU
1997
Michigan
Nebraska
1991
Miami (Fla.)
Washington
1990
Colorado
Georgia Tech
1978
Alabama
Southern Cal
1974
Oklahoma
Southern Cal
1973
Notre Dame
Alabama
1970
Nebraska
Texas
1957
Auburn
Ohio State
1965
Alabama
Michigan State
1954
Ohio State
UCLA
*1954-90:
UPI poll
1991:
USA Today/CNN
1997:
USA Today/ESPN
2003:
BCS
AP voters speak
The question: what team gets your No. 1 vote? When contacted by e-mail and telephone by the Tulsa World's Bill Haisten, AP college football voters discussed what they might do with their final ballots:
Joe Giglio, The News & Observer of Raleigh (N.C.): "I had Florida No. 1 (in the AP final regular-season poll). … I'm not going to vote a team other than the BCS title-game winner No. 1 just for the sake of doing it."
Mike DeArmond, Kansas City Star: "I'm on the fence right now. A lot depends on the OU-Florida game. A close game, and I could wind up going with Utah. Texas didn't show me enough (against) Ohio State. And USC isn't on my radar."
Doug Segrest, Birmingham (Ala.) News: "I was impressed with Utah before the Sugar Bowl and impressed even more afterward. I will give the Utes strong consideration, just as I will USC. However, I believe the Big 12 and the SEC were the powerhouse regular-season conferences. Right now, my debate would be between Oklahoma, Florida and, yes, Texas. Much depends on the decisiveness of the BCS title game."
Jason Franchuk, Provo (Utah) Daily Herald:
"Ultimately, for me, it's either Oklahoma or Utah… . But right now, I am leaning toward giving Utah my No. 1 vote."
Herb Gould, Chicago Sun-Times:
"I've thought about Utah, but I have decided the championship game is indeed the championship game."
Kirk Bohls, Austin American-Statesman:
"I'm completely torn. Utah definitely deserves consideration. Why does this have to be a situation where non-BCS conference teams need not apply? I really hope (Utah coach) Kyle Whittingham, (Texas coach) Mack Brown and (Southern Cal coach) Pete Carroll all vote for their own teams (in the coaches' poll), if only to screw with the system. Does the USA Today coaches' poll really need to be the latest version of the old Soviet Union, where all have to walk in lockstep with one choice?"
Steve Conroy, Boston Herald:
"I've been late to the party on Utah, but I think I might vote them No. 1. They beat Oregon State, TCU and BYU—legitimate teams. And Utah beat Alabama convincingly. If Florida or Oklahoma wins handily and impressively, I would definitely consider that winner for the No. 1 vote. But I came away very impressed with Utah.
I'm leaning heavily toward putting Utah at No. 1."
Ray Ratto, San Francisco Chronicle:
"For Texas to be No. 1, it had to be play a far more impressive game than it did against Ohio State, and for Florida and Oklahoma to play twin mediocre games. The Texas part took care of itself, though, as they nearly blew a comfortable lead against a team it should have handled."
Jim Mashek, Sun Herald (Biloxi, Miss.):
"Texas gets knocked out after (the Fiesta Bowl). It was a nice win, but they needed to win big. Utah is in the picture. Right now, my final vote goes to Oklahoma, Florida or Utah. Utah certainly got my attention. It all depends on what happens Thursday night, and we don't get much time to think about it. The AP wants our vote within a half-hour after the BCS game."
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2curious
, Tulsa, OK 74104 (1/7/2009 6:43:02 AM)
Even this die-hard Sooner fan has to consider this Utah team as someone to contend with. They completely man-handled a distinctly overmatched SEC co-champion. The Utah-Alabama game was not nearly as close as the two-touchdown final margin. Anyone who watched that game had to be impressed with the Utes. It wasn't close.
They were undefeated.
Their conference was 6-1 against the Pac-10 (which went undefeated in the bowls).
Were I to have a vote, I'd have to strongly consider them. Of course, if OU destroys Florida, we may have a strong argument.
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Graybeard
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 7:09:01 AM)
Four teams are hot: OU, Florida, Utah and USC. Texas was unimpressive in their bowl game, especially since OSU didn't have Beanie Wells for much of it.
Utah is a great team, but the Championship Game must be played to determine the champion as the rules state. If OU beats Florida they deserve the Trophy.
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Bird1
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 7:44:10 AM)
Utah deserves to be in the top 5, but their Strength of Schedule was #31. That says 30 other teams could have won that schedule. OU was #1 and Fla was #2 in SOS. Texas had to pull it out in the last two min to win against a #10 team. USC had a weak schedule and the PAC 10 did not really have any opponents. Or St was #2 in the PAC 10 and OSU was #4 or 5 in the Big XII. OSU played crippled, Zack had a dislocated shoulder, Hunter was recovering from knee surgery after the Bedlam Game and Dez was not 100%. I could see making USC #2 after tomorrow night, but no split Championship.
Boomer Sooner!
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Bird1
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 8:17:13 AM)
OK. Maybe USC or Utah as #2, but still no split championship.
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The Real Joe Dolty
, TULSA (1/7/2009 8:43:58 AM)
This isn't going to happen. The winner of the game tomorrow night will be the national champion. They will also win the AP poll. Utah might get a few sympathy votes, but that's it.
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The Real Joe Dolty
, TULSA (1/7/2009 8:45:50 AM)
Sorry 2curious, you're not an OU fan.
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jjhamilton
, Broken Arrow (1/7/2009 8:50:52 AM)
I agree with many of the sports writers, Thursday's game between Florida and Oklahoma is big if they play twin mediocre games, it should be the Uthes as number one.
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Willard_Roker
, (1/7/2009 8:58:00 AM)
When the season started the BCS Championship is what everybody wanted. No one started the season hoping to win the AP choice instead of the BCS so who cares who ends up with it.
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OU9996
, (1/7/2009 9:06:29 AM)
I would agree on the whole Utah argument if they had to play in the Big 12 or even the SEC but they don't. If they had to play UT, OSU, Missouri, TT they would know what a real game was like. Alabama was and is overrated and 5 or 6 teams from the BIG 12 would have demolished them in a matchup and made em like it. I'm tired of all the Big 12 haters (commentators) who are just out to slam OU because we are not east or west coast we are in the midwest where real football is played. I've rooted for every BIG 12 team in the bowls and I support my conference. OU by 13 BOOMER SOONER!!!!!
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Big Harp
, Florida (1/7/2009 9:23:03 AM)
Does the AP have a Crystal Football?
Do they award the AP Trophy on National TV?
Will the AP winner be on the front page of every sports paper?
Do we care that the AP is not the gold standard anymore?
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Dr. Strangelove
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 9:35:11 AM)
Agreed newshound
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Arbythree
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 9:38:55 AM)
Be kind News. The man in Hugo is one element of the process.
Might check and see where he went to college. Be funny if it were your school since you placed such kind adjectives towards him.
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SoCal Fan
, Broken Arrow (1/7/2009 10:22:23 AM)
I think their should be a four team (Oklahoma, Utah, USC and Texas) playoff. Head to head is the best way to determine a National Champion, not computer figures. I know most of you here would agree if the computers had chosen Texas over Oklahoma in Thursday game.
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Arbythree
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 10:28:30 AM)
I would like a Playoff SoCal. The possible split title has happened to Oklahoma before. Heck if Texas had played better I would have had no problem splitting the title with them.
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love 918
, (1/7/2009 10:39:28 AM)
SoCal, where is Florida in your playoff? How can you leave out the team that will be crowned national champion tomorrow night?
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Big Harp
, Florida (1/7/2009 10:41:08 AM)
And the facts are the Crystal Football will go to the winner Thursday Night.
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Arbythree
, Tulsa (1/7/2009 10:44:51 AM)
He didn't love 918. He said Oklahoma!!!!
BOOMER SOONER.
Maybe change your name to a Florida area code?
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SoCal Fan
, Broken Arrow (1/7/2009 10:48:11 AM)
love 918, I think both Oklahoma and Florida are overrated, but I like Oklahoma better. I'm calling it OU by 3.
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Big Harp
, Florida (1/7/2009 10:49:17 AM)
I agree Arbythree
love352 fits
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mustachio
, Ft. Sill (1/7/2009 10:57:53 AM)
SoCal, I don't think anyone with a shred of intelligence, regardless of where their loyalty lies, disagrees that the system needs a playoff. I would much rather see it be an eight team format as opposed to four though, if for no other reason than to minimize the whining. Also, it would add legitimacy to a championship system that sorely needs it. We would finally be able to say with confidence that the team we call NCAA Football Champions at the end of the year is just that. In your four team format, your trojans still may not make the playoff. Many would argue that right now in a four team format, OU, Florida, Texas and Utah would be the four teams selected.
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SoCal Fan
, Broken Arrow (1/7/2009 10:59:00 AM)
I like that. They could very easily use the bowl game as playoffs.
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mustachio
, Ft. Sill (1/7/2009 11:04:02 AM)
Yes, they could but they won't. All involved are making money hand over fist, the universities included. The ADs, conference and school presidents would rather live with the imperfections of the current system and keep their money.
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Oklahomer
, (1/7/2009 11:50:12 AM)
Not Ohio State. They had two losses before the bowls and were tenth in the BCS. Boise State was undefeated and ranked higher before the bowls. They should have had the eighth slot. Then again, Texas Tech was ranked above Boise.
At least we have reduced the argument to teams with slim chances of winning the playoff. (All three teams lost their bowl game).
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pat
, Kiefer (1/7/2009 1:25:01 PM)
so would one propose they use the top 8 teams from the bcs final standings? if so, then utah still wouldn't be in contention for a nc!...hmmmm...
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Big Harp
, Florida (1/7/2009 1:30:41 PM)
The BCS Title will be decided on the field while the AP Title is decided in someones mind.
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