Superman4, (12/1/2008 9:13:11 AM)

Jason,
Who is Jason whitlock? Is he on the way to the hosp? Rules are rules. People have too many options, that is why we have the computers help on the BCS: standing. Rules are there for the best for all the country, people want a play off, But the people in power and the bowls don't. My answer is common sense: don't play any non conference game at all. Play the leagues as is. that is three less games. and all conference go to a champion games. Then the top eight team play a three game play-off to say whom is the best in the country and is the national champ. bowl's can change each year to be fair to they.Coach's and sportswriters and the TV people all said we need a play off. But if all these people would pulls hard for a play off the powers to be would change the system, and the bowl picture.Please tell Mr. Whitlock that if we just went by the computer's system without people's votes. It shows
that Oklahoma is 1st, Texas 2nd, Alabama 3rd, Texas tech 4th and Florida 6th. Just remember rules are rules until someone change the rules. thank you for your time.

tulsaOUfan, Tulsa (12/1/2008 9:20:49 AM)

I wouldn't call the touchdown Tech drove on their last drive "a miracle last play" since it wasn't the last play and it was an out pattern caught by Crabtree who ran it in for a TD. A "miracle last play" is a Doug Flutie type of pass.

tulsaOUfan, Tulsa (12/1/2008 9:27:42 AM)

My other comments: First, it's a three-way tiebreaker between OU-UT-Tech, not a head-to-head tiebreaker between OU-UT. If it was really just a head-to-head tiebreaker between OU-UT then of course UT would go. Second, it's UT's own fault for losing to Tech. If you lose and that puts you into a tie then you can't blame anyone else but yourself if you then lose the tiebreaker. Third, if you really insist on throwing OU out because they lost to Texas, then you have to apply the same rule to Texas and throw them out because because they lost to Tech.

tulsaOUfan, Tulsa (12/1/2008 9:30:57 AM)

"In 2000, during OU's national championship season, the Sooners got a break when the same thing happened to two other teams."

Where does that come from? OU didn't get any kind of break in 2000. They were ranked #1 in all polls and in the computer polls. There was no "break" that OU got to get anywhere in 2000.

Norman Bates, Bates Motel (12/1/2008 12:03:54 PM)

It comes down to simple mathematics

44 + 6 > 10

Gus4President, (12/1/2008 11:15:39 PM)

I think Klein is referring to FSU getting the nod over UMiami in 2000 to reach the title game, both 1 loss teams, but with FSU's loss being against the U.

markal918, (12/2/2008 10:17:59 AM)

Ok this is crazy... Miracle final play??? Did you watch the game or the highlights..???... Texas LOST the entire game.. from start to the last 89 seconds of the game.. tech just did what it did all game long and scored quick. How convenient it must be to be a longhorn and base their and your entire argument on the fact that they thought they had the game won in the last 89 seconds and choked on bevos big t-bone... Was it a great play ... YES.. Miracle NO WAY those two hooked up all year, why do you think he was in double converage. We send teams to the big 12 and the NT based on the body of work, not one play, not one game, not one month. OU has outscored Texas by 117 points this year with better quality opponents. All three schools agreed to the tie breaker rules before the season started and only one is complaining. How is it that no-one cares about TECH that has been putting up massive numbers on offence this year? BUT NO all anyone seems to care about is NO CLASS MACK whining on TV with his 45-35 boxer shorts riding up. Now about those computer.. you can't bribe them, lobby them, or send them the corporate jet for a junket, OU did not WIN them over, OU played better quality opponents than Texas did, plain and simple. Bob knows this and schedules non-conference opponents that are very good. He takes a shot at getting thumped earlier on the chance that we can ride that strength later.. and guess what once again BOB's logic comes out on top. Don't hate OU for playing better teams, Thump MACK for being out coached by BOB.

Dave in Houston, Houston (12/2/2008 6:00:53 PM)

markal918, (12/2/2008 10:17:59 AM) "...OU played better quality opponents than Texas did, plain and simple. Bob knows this and schedules non-conference opponents that are very good. He takes a shot at getting thumped earlier on the chance that we can ride that strength later.. and guess what once again BOB's logic comes out on top.
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Right, I'm sure Bob thought Chatanooga and Cincinati were going to be 'powers' when these games were scheduled a few years ago. Face it, OU got lucky with 'Nati being up this year. The apalling fact is that Texas will sit at home knowing they beat both teams playing in the Big XII title game.

You should also consider how the teams lost. Tech was blown out so they have no case. OU lost a tough one on neutral field. Texas is a 'miracle dropped interception' away from being undefeated.

markal918, (12/3/2008 7:13:03 AM)

OK DAVE in HOUSTON... Here are the facts.. I hate it that the BCS dicided this, so lets go see how it plays out if we just look at the south..

Oh Yeah OU wins with 276 points, texas is second with 200 and TT third with 197.. OH you don't like that, OK lets go to intra conference Kansas Game OU 45, Texas 35, TT 58 ooops TECH wins that head to head to head.

you cannot take tech out of the equation cause you want to win a simple two way tie, fact is if Texas or OU had been blown out in either loss they had we would still have a three way tie, and no matter how you slice it UT does not go to the big 12. GET OVER IT. I agree with the chatanooga comment but Cinci is a quality team on average, are they ranked very high on average, no, but that is why we call it sooner magic.. Have fun on Saturday rooting for MO..

Dave in Houston, Houston (12/3/2008 8:23:31 AM)

markal918, looking at scores isn't apples to apples and is a poor way to compare. Take the Baylor-Tech game for example...that would suggest that Tech is only a touchdown better but, it doesn't account for Harrell and Crabtree going down. There has been very little ryhme or reason behind the BCS rankings this year. Too many times a H-H winner was ranked lower than the team they beat. The Sooners are lucky the AP Poll pulled out of the BCS otherwise they wouldn't have jumped Texas.

Mizzou has become the forgotten child of the Big XII this year and is still a decent team but, they have no chance. Florida/Bama on the otherhand do and will likely take out OU in yet another BCS Bowl Game no-show. Texas meanwhile will probably win the Fiesta and make a claim for a split National Title. Here's hoping for the most BCS chaos possible.

Trickstr25, (12/3/2008 10:58:01 AM)

ESPN paid big for SEC broadcast rights. This means they have a conflict of interest when it comes to promoting and influencing people associated with the polls. It doesn't surprise me that they want to turn OK and TX fans against each other so they can keep up their true agenda of lifting the SEC to the top. OK and TX are better than Bama and Florida and should be reflected so in the polls. Just look at their computer rankings and the schedules.

The entire ESPN network has become biased. Herbstreit specifically promoted Florida and the SEC. ITS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!!

Just Google "ESPN SEC Sign Historic Contract"

Sooner44Pride, (12/3/2008 10:59:40 AM)

Right, I'm sure Bob thought Chatanooga and Cincinati were going to be 'powers' when these games were scheduled a few years ago. Face it, OU got lucky with 'Nati being up this year.

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Chattanooga was a late replacement for the team that pulled out, (I can't remember who that was right now.) I don't think we would ever assume they would be a powerhouse. We also got unlucky with Washington being horrendous this year? Who thought A&M would be so terrible? Sure Texas beat Mizzou, ok, how good were they? Really? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Tell Mack to pay his airplane rental bill and quit whining!!!

Shaken, not stirred, Woodbury (12/3/2008 5:58:18 PM)

Dave in Houston said:

"You should also consider how the teams lost. Tech was blown out so they have no case. OU lost a tough one on neutral field. Texas is a 'miracle dropped interception' away from being undefeated."

and

"markal918, looking at scores isn't apples to apples and is a poor way to compare. Take the Baylor-Tech game for example...that would suggest that Tech is only a touchdown better but, it doesn't account for Harrell and Crabtree going down. There has been very little ryhme or reason behind the BCS rankings this year."

I'm a OSU alumni but that doesn't stop me from seeing that OU was absolutely the best team in the Big XII this season. If you consider how the teams lost, as you suggest above and I agree with, OU lost because their QB on defense, MLB blew his ACL in the middle of the game. Up to that point OU was outplaying UT and leading and consistently getting defensive stops. After Reynolds went out of the game, I do not believe OU got another defensive stop. OU has shored up the position somewhat now but losing a star MLB in the middle of the game and having to replace him with an unproven backup is very much the same on defense as losing your starting QB and having to replace him in the middle of the game with someone without much experience. It's a "tough row to hoe" against a quality opponent. Let's not forget that the replacement at MLB wasn't even in the 2 deep the previous season as the starter from '07 left for the NFL early and Reynolds (the backup in '07) took over in '08. If I remember right, the first kid they tried may have even been a freshman or redshirt freshman and had little game experience up to that point. That injury alone (forget about the obvious block in the back on UT's kickoff return or the weak roughing the UT QB or OU kicker calls) changed the outcome of the game by itself. UT was not better that day, they simply got lucky when Reynolds went out and efficiently exploited OU's new handicap.

If I remember correctly, Crabtree was lost for the Tech/Baylor game but Harrell led the comeback and finished the game. And despite the fact that the comeback occured with Crabtree out, you're right that if Crabtree played the whole game it would have been easier for Tech to mount the comeback. That said, losing a WR, even one of Crabtree's talent, is not the same as losing a starting QB or MLB when you do not have developed depth waiting in the wings. Tech had several other WRs with enough talent to operate in the Leach system and facilitate the comeback.

As far as your "rhyme or reason" comment goes; rhyming has nothing to do with it. :) And the reason OU is ahead in the BCS is obvious even if you do not like it. They did lose to UT on a neutral field but anyone who watched the game saw the dramatic change occur when the middle linebacker went out. Also that game was in the 1st half of the season and less important than the fact that OU played a much tougher schedule and looked better doing it than Texas in the last half of the season. Also, in the end the OU vs. UT debate is very similar to the Florida State vs. Miami debate in 2000. Florida State lost to Miami early in the season, looked better late in the season and ultimately lost to a better opponent than Miami did. Florida State didn't even have to beat the same opponent that Miami lost to. OU did and convincinly by 44 points.

Disagree with the 5 tie-breaker rule looking at the BCS standings if you want but I like the rule regardless of what happens in future years and think it should stay. The rule is there to give the conference the best shot of having a team in national championship game and therefore I like it for that reason. If the circumstances had been reversed for OU and UT I would still feel the same way. Let's remember I'm a Cowboy through and through and actually have 2 nieces going to school at UT right now. I have no OU bias other than knowing they had the best overall season of all Big XII teams this year and stand the best chance of beating Florida. I think OU or UT co

Shaken, not stirred, Woodbury (12/3/2008 6:11:19 PM)

I guess I got too wordy. :) The rest of my post was supposed to read:

I think OU or UT could beat Alabama but it would be a tough game for UT and a lock for OU. Against Florida though, I give OU a slight edge or maybe it's 50/50 with the title game being in the state of Florida. I'd give Florida a 75/25 chance of beating UT with the 'horns limited running game.

There are still 2 ways for the 'horns to play for the national title. 1) OU gets upset by Mizzou and then UT would play the winner of Alabama/Florida. 2) Florida beats Alabama but isn't impressive and UT stays ahead of Florida in the BCS. With OU @ #1 and UT @ #2 we get an all Big XII title game. That would be awesome but a long shot to think that voters would keep Florida behind UT if they beat Alabama. I think the computers could though so it's a possibility.

Dave in Houston, Houston (12/3/2008 6:20:06 PM)

Shaken, not stirred, Woodbury (12/3/2008 6:11:19 PM) "I guess I got too wordy."
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Ya think? What no Vol. 3? Less is more. :)

Dave in Houston, Houston (12/4/2008 10:08:31 AM)

Had to re-post, this is too funny:

GREAT NEWS!!!!!! BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II Reply

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BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II
US Ranked 4th

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented " France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."

Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines.