KYCane, Crestwood (11/5/2009 7:05:10 AM)

What's with the mini Bower picture? Is that some sort of subliminal message?

KYCane, Crestwood (11/5/2009 12:31:13 PM)

I know. I was just trying to make fun of the very first picture that was posted on the pg (it's since been reframed and corrected) that showed an unframed mininature Bower. It looked like a gnat-sized QB icon.

GoldenDriller1, Out of Town (11/5/2009 7:10:13 AM)

A negative missed for Kinne is that up to this year,he has not taken a snap in a game since his high school days - 3 seasons ago.

iflyfast, At an airport somewhere in the Tulsa area (11/5/2009 1:55:57 PM)

Tulsa97....vs. SMU. Kinne had 2 sacks in very limited playing time. With the SAME OL, Bower had zero. Yes, OL is partially to blame, but that stat right there says a lot.

Tulsa World Web Reporter, Tulsa (11/5/2009 10:54:15 AM)

KY - it's not a subliminal message. You may notice on other articles that each article that has more than one picture has one that is larger, then the others shown are thumbnails. You can see the full version of each photo by clicking on the thumbnail. You can also view how the photos looked in the print version by clicking "Newspaper View"

Dr. Strangelove, Tulsa (11/5/2009 8:48:33 AM)

The current line has Tulsa favored by 1 1/2. I'm digging through my desk drawer looking for my home equity credit line checks......

Dr. Strangelove, Tulsa (11/6/2009 6:57:49 AM)

Too late cowboytimothy, haha

gigglecurv, Oak View (11/5/2009 10:52:47 AM)

EVERYONE thinks they know better than the coach! I love Bower as much as anyone, BUT have you ever thought coach Graham is saying Kinne will start so Houston prepares for him but Bower gets the nod. C'mon people college football is a strategy. Whoever takes the snaps on Saturday will be the right one from Grahams experience.

DrewTU, (11/5/2009 8:21:00 AM)

Can't believe that Herb has to spout the company line like that. Anyone in the stadium saw that Bower was the better QB that day regardless of the concussion Kinne suffered. In the limited action that he saw he looked better than Kinne has looked all season. Kinne is a great kid but Bower should be playing.

Hurricane4Lyfe, (11/5/2009 9:17:37 PM)

Let's Go TU - Beat The Cougars

timber land, (11/5/2009 7:47:23 AM)

I am mystified (after what I saw last week) why the Coach continues to blame our young O-line for not being able to protect You-know-who?

But What Do I Know?, (11/5/2009 8:03:31 AM)

So what's the deal with Beaver? Is he another over hyped recruit, a la Bobby Reid? Or does he really have the talent that ranked him as one of the best HS QB's in the country? True freshman or not, can he play at the D1 level? If he has D1 talent and is the TU QB of the future does it make sense to play him now? Is this "season over" and he should be getting game experience this year to prepare for next season? Will he feel like Kinne did at UT playing behind McCoy, and needs to transfer cause he sees 3 more years on the bench? Thoughts anyone?

hawkdaddy, (11/5/2009 4:37:18 PM)

I vote for Houston and Tulsa97 to be the new AD and Coach at TU. They are obviously way smarter than anyone over at 11th and Harvard. Tulsa97 has his masters in coaching and Houston must have too.

If I wasn't a TU fan, I would hope you two would get your wish so you could see just how silly your remarks are.

hawkdaddy, (11/5/2009 4:38:27 PM)

72raiderjay, are you related to Beaver or his agent?

hawkdaddy, (11/6/2009 8:58:17 AM)

Well, this is not high school and I have watched him since last spring and he is clearly not ready and really shouldn't be on the field at all. I think he has the "potential" to be good but a redshirt would have served him well.

hawkdaddy, (11/6/2009 1:40:57 PM)

You may be right raiderjay and I hope you are. I'll believe it when I see it. At this point, all goals are likely lost. You may get your wish in a couple of games.

houston, tulsa (11/5/2009 11:48:57 AM)

**********
SO SAD....SO SAD....
LOOK AT THE SCANDAL IN OUR AREA HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAMS.....
SOOOOOOO
WHAT IS GOING ON AT TU?????????
WHAT IS UP WITH TU'S ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AND OTHER COACHES????????
I have seen most of the games, read all the articles and comments and it makes me wonder???
WHO IS REALLY IN CHARGE AND RUNNING TU'S ATHLETIC'S.....
It seems to me that Graham is being allowed to call all the shots, sit upstairs and watch/coach or walk the sideline screaming and yelling on national TV.....
1. Where is the AD?????????
2. Who is going to pull Graham in and set him straight?
3. Why are the other coaches not coaching?
It's not the kids/players, or the school, or the facilities, or the other coaches...

It's Graham gone wild and he is being allowed to run everything into the ground this season. I don't care about his pay check or contract he still needs to be held accountable for what he is doing/not doing...

WAKE UP TU....BEFORE WE ARE SCREWED AGAIN

houston, tulsa (11/5/2009 12:58:52 PM)

CAN I GET A "WAHOO" AND AN "AMEN" FOR THE ABOVE TULSA97......

This is exactly what I was saying....
TU is a great school, excellent academic standards, has overall good leadership, great facilities, great students/kids

WITH THE ABOVE SAID.....

Don't screw up (AD) the athletic's at this school with a "GRAHAM GONE WILD" attitude...

AD...There is nothing wrong with saying..."I may have not made a mistake in bringing Graham on board BUT I have made a mistake in allowing him to much power/control".....

AD....Take back control a little bit, get the other talented coaches involved in coaching....Let these talented kids/students be allowed to be coached and not yelled at and confused...They are not paid to play and they work there XXXX off...The coaches are paid to coach....
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Coaches....GET YOUR XXXX TOGETHER...AND I MEAN WORK TOGETHER FOR THE KIDS/STUDENTS/PLAYERS......

72raiderjay, (11/5/2009 9:11:15 AM)

I think the QB break down on Beaver is absolutely wrong. One only needs to watch his H.S. game against Sulphur Springs the eventual TX 4A state champs.(Aired on ESPN). He was one of the top H.S "QUARTERBACKS" in the nation(#21)and #8 dual threat. Michigan didnt recruit him to be a wildcat "QB". He is more than what TU is using him for. One TU coach committed, "Beaver was one of the most well coached players he had come across." That coach is respected throughout Tulsa and the state for OK football. Now of course his runs are coming from broken plays, because they are all designed runs. He is a QUARTERBACK. No coach at any level to include college level coaches have ever said Beaver had problems grasping the playbook info. Part of the problem at TU was no QB coach was hired until Aug and he was a grad assistant. Coach Graham said that they were trying to get Beaver on the field but he was making too many mistakes. Its hard to make mistakes running the football. Freshman are suppose to make some mistakes. Now how good is Michigan's freshman quarterbacks going to be next year with the playing experience they received this year. Their Record(5-4) TU's record(4-4). How soon did we forget the spring game. He definitely had the best game of the three, but his long TD run was minimized to a broken play. He still accounted for 4 of TU's 8 scoring drives in that game. Just a spring game, but if you look at the other two Quarterback's play their tendencies in that game have shown up during the season(SACKS and misfires). This kid can flat throw the ball if given the chance. 3 or 4 pass attempts that's ridiculous. If TU fans really want to know what type of Quarterback Beaver is watch his last H.S football game against the eventual TX state semi-finalist(Denton Guyer). He played the last half with a dislocated shoulder. He threw two touchdowns that won the game. Some in TX say it was the most inspiring game they had ever seen. He is not a running Quarterback. Hard to run with a dislocated shoulder. That game is available through Wichita Falls Time Warner. TU is missing possible greatness at that position.

72raiderjay, (11/5/2009 11:10:53 AM)

Hopefully Beaver gets a shoot before the entire season is lost to show his worth. Maybe he will even get the chance to throw the football. Can't do any worse than what's happening now. If TU losses two more games he desires a honest look.

72raiderjay, (11/5/2009 11:19:58 AM)

I think Coach Hand has a game plan that can be successful with the current personnel on hand. But it may be the spread offense that resembles W. Va or Coach Rod's spread offense as opposed to Coach Malzahn's spread. Coach Malzahn was the architect for TU's past offenses. Coach Hand can be the designer for TU's future offense. He has that kind of talent and he learned from a spread offense guru.

72raiderjay, (11/5/2009 11:21:00 AM)

I mean Coach Rod

72raiderjay, (11/5/2009 2:38:47 PM)

What is it going to take for Beaver to get a legit shot at playing? Two more lossess possibly by either QB. iflyfast what says you?

72raiderjay, (11/6/2009 7:09:03 AM)

hawkdaddy, I'm a fan of TX football and so are many from this area and other parts of TX that have seen Shavodrick play.

72raiderjay, (11/6/2009 10:12:37 AM)

hawkdaddy, I've watched him since the spring of 09 as well. In the only real live action as a QB he definitely preformed well.(Spring Game 09) Practices are more productive when there is a true QB coach on the field. His play also has been limited to runs. Hard to make a evaluation with those limitations. Had he gone to Michigan he would be playing. Both their freshman QBs are playing to include the recruit some said was an inaccurate passer. Could that be coaching? Finally more than "Potential" gets you recruited as a Qb by almost every D-1 school in the nation. Doesn't TU have a QB that was recruited else where as a LB? If TU doesnt become bowl eligible maybe we will see some "potential".