Skirmish, Norman (11/24/2009 6:28:21 AM)

Dave, if you equate the injuries of an OU player with those of an OSU player, your column makes no sense.

Yes, there have been some "whoa is me" feelings around the Sooner base.

But, seriously, can you honestly say OSU and there whatever if ever draftees are equal to or more important than OU's NFL draftees?

PhoenixIX, Jenks (11/24/2009 6:36:40 AM)

OSU has a Head Coach who "coached" this year.

Therein lies the difference between OSU and OU.

DanDDiver, Vail, CO (11/24/2009 6:48:06 AM)

Skirmish speaks like the typical Swooner fan.
It's "Woe" not "Whoa"(as in stopping a horse).
And it's "their" (as if to possess), not there(as in a direction -- ie over there).

But, you can't expect most Swooner fans to know these things. English composition is taught in school.

dumbokie, Claremore (11/24/2009 6:53:43 AM)

OU continually has highly rated recruiting classes. You'd think they would have backups ready to step up. Injuries happen to every team in all sports. Better have backups ready to go when the front line goes down.

Eric, OKC, Oklahoma City (11/24/2009 7:31:26 AM)

Skirmish,
You made Stillers point even more. For all of the "NFL caliber" talent in Norman, how come they have lost so many games? News alert.. the Outland thropy finalist (and more than likely first lineman to be selected in the NFL draft) is at OSU and Dez will be the first WR selected at the NFL draft.

But that's not the point. OSU has overcome alot and done it in a great way. Now they need to finish the job .....beat OU and go to the Fiesta.

El Capitan, Tulsa (11/24/2009 8:31:03 AM)

Eric-I dont think we should compare the number of players who will be drafted from OU this year vs. people who will be drafted from OSU, its not even close! OU could have 3 go in the top 15 (bradford,gresham and McCoy)

amorr, (11/24/2009 8:43:25 AM)

Does anyone even consider other factors. OU has been bad this year but lets compare schedules. OSU's 3 road games thus far Iowa State, Texas A&M, Baylor. Yes they won 3 road games but is that anything to get excited about. OU has lost on the road to Miami, Nebraska, and Tech mush better teams. If OU played OSU's schedules they would have "overcome adversity" better this year as well. As far as I can tell OSU on a neutral field with Zac at QB is a better team this year, but injuries arent the only thing to consider and you cannot compare the loss of Bradford to any of OSU's injuries no matter how great Dez is. OSU escaped at home to a awful Colorado team without their starting QB, that should tell you how important a great QB is.

The Masked Assassin, Parts Unknown (11/24/2009 8:51:34 AM)

Dave compares a no-name, first year tight end to Jermaine Gresham? Nice streeeeeetch. Robinson having minor injuries to battle through vs. Sam being, basically, lost for the year? Still streeeetching. Yes Dave, all teams have injuries to overcome throughout a season, but come on now.

How many sq. ft. in Vail, Dan? Top bunk of a service workers unit? Even that ain't cheap in Vail, is it? Just don't tell me you have a spacious condo on the golf course because then I would know you didn't get a degree (cow ropin' certificate I should say) from OSWho.

Skirmish, Norman (11/24/2009 8:54:16 AM)

You got me there DanDDiver. It must have been my Keanu Reeves movie marathon that took over my grammar.

Eric, first, do you really believe a victory over the Swooners will put the pokies on top of the pecking order for Fiesta Bowl honors. it seems that Iowa and Boise State will have a big say.

Regarding your two high draft picks, one is healthy and has played all year. The same cannot be said for the Swooners. The other lied repeatedly to be suspended from the team, once again no injury involved. The OSU tight end mention in this story was not hurt, just trouble with the law.

My point is that injuries to key players (QB, TE, OL) took its toll for the Swooners, while the Pokies just could not get out of the way of themselves.

Second,

Skirmish, Norman (11/24/2009 9:04:05 AM)

dumbokie,

You have identified the problem. The Stoops brain trusts hates, hates, hates playing backups. He would prefer to run up the score than develop talent.

Good point, well taken. Swooners still over Pokies

SoonerAnnie, Muskogee (11/24/2009 9:07:49 AM)

Come on Sooners...it's not over yet! Go get 'em!

pennpoke, (11/24/2009 9:57:16 AM)

Okay, sooner chumps, losing Robinson for one game does not equate to losing Bradford for the season. We can agree on that. But I think your simpleton mind are missing the greater point, which is that losing your all-american #1 receiver, and all-american #1 running back is as big a loss, if not moreso, than losing your heisman #1 QB.

Then, when you add up all the other losses, at TE and on defense, one could argue that in total, both teams have lost an equal percentage of power players.

And others make a good point, which is that for all the "powerful" recruiting that OU has done, I would think that OU would have a far better stable of backups than they have. In other words, OSU's freshmen (mainly receivers) have far outplayed OU's freshmen (O line).

MexiMike, Tulsa (11/24/2009 9:57:35 AM)

Wow, so much ignorance, so little time.

Skirmish, why does it matter if key players are NFL draftees or not? Are there not tons of college players that are important to their team's success that aren't high draft picks? Sittler also didn't mention our starting running back who missed most of the season with an ankle/foot injury. Was that not a significant loss just because he isn't going pro this year? Dave also compared the loss of our 3 year starter LB and best player on defense to OU's "sensation of OU's fall camp." Is that not the same as the TE comparison?

El Capitan, OSU will have at least 2 players picked in the top 15. So the sooners will have one more...woooooaaaaahhhh. Huge difference there.

Amorr, your argument is the worst. Are you really going for the weak road schedule argument? Because I can then turn around and say Texas A&M crushed the Texas Tech team that crushed OU. Where did they crush Tech? Oh yeah, in Lubbock. Comparative scores are silly but so is trying to say how good a team is based on who they HAD TO (they didn't choose to) play on the road. Also, Nebraska is NOT that good. Iowa State beat them for crying out loud.

Assassin, Zac has a "minor" shoulder injury? Talk about stretching. He has a deep shoulder bruise on the same shoulder he separated a year ago. Add that to the head injury (I know for a fact it was a concussion) also endured and I would hardly call that "minor."

Read any article in either of the Oklahoma papers and it will tell you that the Fiesta bowl is STRONGLY considering OSU with many sources saying that it is essentially a lock if they beat OU.

p003220, (11/24/2009 10:05:17 AM)

Gee, Zac is out for a home game against a really bad CU team. Let Weeden play on the road against Miami, neutral site against Texas, and at Nebraska..see what happens. OU is down to 3 players on Offense who started last year. This should be the title to your article Sittler "Gundy's best to take on Stoops worst and the line on the game is still "pick em"

MexiMike, Tulsa (11/24/2009 10:17:17 AM)

p003220, the line hasn't been set because nobody is sure if Zac will play. A three year starting QB's ability to play probably has a lot to do with what the point spread is, don't you think?

p003220, (11/24/2009 10:28:51 AM)

Mexican Michael,

I just looked at its OU -10 now..wow vegas must know something. OK, let me rephrase my statement..."Gundy's Best EVER vs Stoops Worst EVER, Sooners favored by 10pts." Adversity or cupcake schedule you be the judge!

pistolp, texarkana (11/24/2009 10:35:54 AM)

The starting talent at OU and OSU are very comparable - no stretch needed, thank you. OSU has 2 players that will likely be drafted in the first 15.

Stalemate, Tulsa (11/24/2009 10:36:20 AM)

Stoops is going to Notre Dame after this season anyway.

Ash, Houston (11/24/2009 10:37:35 AM)

Sooner fans are loyal aren't they...showing their insanity and ignorance to the very end. We'll see you guys in Tempe.

SnowNinja, Tulsa (11/24/2009 11:11:13 AM)

I think you all have forgot about 1 more draftee from OSU, Parish Cox. He is going to go in the first round, by far the best corner in the nation. One more thing, where did OU's last 2 great QB's end up? Heupel is now coaching at OU and Jason White is selling cars somewhere.

definedego, (11/24/2009 11:20:20 AM)

Great article... it seems so long ago that OSU was calling UGA the great game. It is so nice to be here after all that has happened.

Thanksgiving indeed.

Go pokes!

coachpoke, Bethany (11/24/2009 11:38:50 AM)

State cannot pass up this oppotunity, Gundy has not beat ou as a player or the head coach, although I still can't believe Parker did not catch that ball in 88. Sure ou is unbeaten at home this year, but look at their home games. The best team they have beat at home or really at all is K-State. OSU is the markee game on their home schedule, and outside of Texas, the best team they will have played this year. This is the first time in my 37 years of being a STATE fan that the COWBOYS have the better team. OSU cannot let this oportunity go by without taking advantage of it!

amorr, (11/24/2009 12:39:57 PM)

Thanks meximike for setting me straight...you are right the team you play and where you play them has nothing to do with whether you win or not. If this game was on a neutral field or in Stillwater I would pick OSU but in Norman OU is a different team. That is why they ARE favored by 10.

okiedado, (11/24/2009 12:56:21 PM)

sooner fans sure know how to cry, don't they!

okiedado, (11/24/2009 1:00:39 PM)

I've read that some believe Mike Gundy should be the Big 12 Coach of the year, because he has done so much with so much adversity. I would like to nominate Coach Stoops as the Worst Big 12 Coach of the year. He has done so little with so much.