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Cowboys must keep improving
By JOHN KLEIN Senior Sports Columnist
Published:
4/13/2008 2:41 AM
Last Modified: 4/13/2008 2:41 AM
STILLWATER -- Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy said progress has been made over his three seasons as head coach.
The Cowboys have better players on the field, more capable players on the bench and players now understand the system Gundy wants to run.
It is a matter of making that progress translate to more victories on the field.
"I think we're better,' said Gundy.
OSU concluded its spring practice on Saturday, a spring game that really didn't show much or give us much clue to next fall.
Spring games never do that.
The Orange beat the White, 9-7, at Boone Pickens Stadium. Zac Robinson threw just 21 passes and Kendall Hunter ran just 11 times.
That's plenty of work for an offense that figures to be among the nation's most efficient once again this fall.
The game was simply the end of five weeks of practice that will hopefully propel the Cowboys into a more enjoyable fall.
The Cowboys have some simple needs and far more answers than they've had in recent years.
Yes, there are some new offensive coaches and some fresh faces.
But, OSU has the most important thing any team can have - an experienced quarterback that has been very suc cessful.
Plus, the Cowboys probably have more offensive weapons than at any time since OSU went to the Cotton Bowl five years ago.
Putting those pieces together is important but not an immediate concern in the spring.
"We have some good young players that haven't played a lot yet," Gundy said.
This spring was about depth and defense.
Those things aren't very sexy. To be honest, fans don't come out to see how deep a team is or if the defense can make dramatic improvement.
Yet, those two things are probably the difference between another mediocre season or a stunning breakout in the Big 12 Conference.
"It is really hard to predict how much better we are until we start playing next fall," Gundy said.
Much has been written and said about Gundy over his first three seasons. Little question he has made some news that he and OSU probably wish he had not made.
Still, he has not wavered in his approach to building the football program at Oklahoma State.
This is not basketball. Football programs, especially those in major conferences such as the Big 12, can take years to become consistent winners.
Turnarounds did not happen overnight at Missouri or Kansas.
So, OSU fans have been patient with their young and sometimes emotional coach.
However, there's little question Oklahoma State would like to see more tangible evidence of the turnaround this season.
The Cowboys, 7-6 the past two seasons with two bowl victories, have been close to so much more. They've also been close to an aboslute disaster.
The difference between winning and losing for OSU has been ever so slight.
OSU could've, would've and should've beaten Texas A&M and Texas a year ago, two games the Cowboys threw away at the end.
Those victories would have put OSU in a much higher-profile bowl game and may have propelled State in late-season showdowns with Kansas and Oklahoma.
This season will present a new series of challenges but the Cowboys should expect more. The defense should be better and that is essential to improvement.
"It was really exciting to watch our defense and see young guys getting pressure on the quarterbacks," Gundy said. "We haven't seen that around here in a few years."
Last season OSU opened at national-contender Georgia with a quarterback that would be on the bench within the month.
This season the Cowboys will open again on the road but should be good enough to have a realistic chance in Seattle against Washington State.
After the opener, OSU comes home for four straight home games - Houston, Missouri State, Troy and Texas A&M.
Defensive improvement in the spring must be evident in the fall.
By JOHN KLEIN Senior Sports Columnist
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richard
, stillwater (4/13/2008 10:41:12 AM)
It happens all over the country I suppose. People find "improvement" based on a intrasquad scrimmage. "Hey! We beat ourselves! That means we're better!" LOL!
The scary part is, the people that insist they see vast improvement now are the very one's that told us going from 7-4 to 4-7 was a good thing... the same one's that tell us 7-6 is "improvement" over 7-6.
Those darned scoreboards keep getting in the way of some really lovely stories.
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Joe
, Tulsa (4/13/2008 12:31:24 PM)
Richard - the improvements are all in perspective. Going from 7-4 to 4-7 involved in getting rid of an unstable foundation and several "bad apples" The 7-6 to 7-6 "improvement' was against a MUCH tougher schedule. I am also not 100% sold on things but I am willing to wait 5 years and see what happens.
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Wes Smith
, Tulsa (4/13/2008 8:53:14 PM)
5 Years huh Joe? Ok, so just two more years. How about also saying we need to be at least 9 and 4 with bowl game.
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richard
, stillwater (4/13/2008 10:46:17 PM)
Sean got rid of some "bad apples" too. He only got 2 years.
The K-State coach got rid of some "bad apples" in his first year... last year... as many if not more than Gundy... for sure more starters. I think he went 7-5 or something like that didn't he?
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, Richardson (4/14/2008 12:06:13 AM)
I just hope you gripers get the same amount of slack at your work as you give Gundy at his work. Go Cowboys! Imagine 40,000 people watching you perform your job every week looking for every single mistake you make and putting it on YouTube.
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Jack
, Tulsa (4/14/2008 9:17:49 AM)
I thought Coach Gundy's tirade was the coolest thing I've ever seen a coach do. He'll be my hero inperpetuity. Or should I say for dang long time.
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John
, Stillwater (4/14/2008 9:32:16 AM)
Well we also went 4-7 because we were trying to run the spread offense with the personel of an I-formation offense.
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fan for life
, (4/14/2008 12:54:10 PM)
Wll said #5. Few people face the same criticism in their job. As for Gundy- some of you all act like we have always been national contenders! Gundy has cleaned up the program, taken us to bowl games, and he is an alum that would unlikely leave the program the way Miles did. I don't want OSU to simply become a stepping stone for coaches. As a part of a coaching family (wife, sister, brother, father, myself) it is my experience that those that criticize rarely play sports, and if they did in was Pee- wee something or other. If you think your so good at it, go coach... see how you do!
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, trey.andrews@okstate.edu (4/14/2008 2:17:18 PM)
Oddly enough I'm going to comment on the contents of the article. I differ slightly in opinion from Mr. Klein. I think the amount of time needed for transition depend upon a multitude of factors. 1) Difference of coaching style. 2)Amount of head coaching experience 3)Type of players currently in the program(Dantrelle Savage vs. Prentiss Elliot squeaky clean vs. incredibly violent).
There are more but they get too detailed. So, I'll stop at 3. That being said it does take slightly more time to rebuild a football program vs. basketball with all things equal. All things are never equal so it is possible to take longer to build a basketball program than a football program.
As to the rest of the article, he's pretty right. I'm not 100% sold on Gundy(the let's change jobs logic is crap. How many of you parents criticize your children's teachers. You criticize based on expectations not your own ability. If you hire a translator that can't translate, are you happy? Can you translate? No but that doesn't mean he's doing a good job.). Nevertheless, the MO for the last two seasons has been slight improvement over the previous year with unexpected hardships every year. It would be foolish to expect anything better than 8-4. However, that would probably put us in fourth in big 12 south. We'll probably beat either A&M or Tech, Baylor, and two north teams, although even Colorado is iffy, and win out the non-con schedule. Anything less would be disappointing and anything more would be above what should be expectations. 9 wins is possible but it is literally impossible to know if we are that caliber team. 7 wins would be nice but realistically that would either mean losing a non-con game, or losing two of the three games against Tech, A&M, and Colorado(I don't think people would exactly be pissed but nobody would be happy).
I played sports throughout high school, but I don't think that is relevant at all. Playing a sport and managing a sport are completely different. I've coached too and even with middle school kids it's totally different.
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Mark V
, (4/16/2008 1:12:48 PM)
Good article, John. Thanks for bringing us to earth with "it's only a scrimmage, and defense and building depth is the objective."
Regardless of sports, I feel that four - five years should be given to coaches to build a team - provided that there are no complete disasters.
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