Few Clothes, America (10/30/2009 11:40:12 AM)

Maybe the dismissal will save his life. This man is a walking heart attack. Please lose weight coach.

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 10:40:57 AM)

My question is:
Is the BTW backup QB ruled ineligible for this season as a punitive measure because of last school year's inclusion in spring events?

Since they're separate school years, The team is being punished this year for last school year's infractions.

The OSSAA says they punish the school in the school year that the infraction occured, but that's not how they treat athletes. Albert is being punished this year for what he did last school year.(even though he's specificly ruled as eligible since Oct. 9th)

Perhaps the OSSAA considers spring practices as de-facto segments of the next school year's sporting season?

But I don't see how Albert is forced to quit this season?

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 11:15:10 AM)

The entire OSSAA structure is obsolete and inept.

Schools ought to start an alternative organization.

Holland Hall is starting to look like geniuses for opting out and joining a Texas Conference.

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 11:35:27 AM)

The OSSAA either get a Guestaupo policing force or rewrite the written rules. Right now they are caught looking like Sargeant Shultz, and acting like Jeckyl & Hyde.

The rules are tough enough but the system for policing is very enept. They let the "foxes run the henhouse".

They leave it up to schools to investigate their own crimes!(Can you say "cover up"?)

How can boosters really be sufficiently policed?

The AD gets paid by the school board but must make account to the OSSAA.

The OSSAA can't punish the ADs, but they take it out on the Head Coaches.

The Head Coaches are ordered by principals to submit to the ADs and let the ADs do the policing and reporting.

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 12:52:00 PM)

JayZ,
What logical argument do you have for mandating private schools play non-privates that are 9 times thier size?

Bishop McGuinness (686 students) would play Broken Arrow (4461 students).

Claremore Christian has 40 kids. you'd make them compete with Hominy (198).

You sound like a whiner, unless you have a logical argument for such a penalty.

And saying that "we keep losing" doen't count as a reason for penalizing the winners.

Govt. bureacracy leads to a lack of efficiency. That's what leads to these results.

A student's "G.I. bill" would fix the problem by making the govt. schools get more competitive. Let the govt. money follow the student.

Charter schools are just govt' schools with a reprieve from some of the bureaucracy.

T.B'Ville, Bruins (10/29/2009 9:07:58 AM)

The OSSAA better make examples of all the coaches and principles that had a hand in this. They better fire them and ban them for life or this WILL NOT be taken serious.

DomoArrigato, Outside of Tulsa (10/29/2009 9:34:16 AM)

"I think they're isolated," said Ed Sheakley, executive director for the Oklahoma Secondary School Activities Association. "We've gone through years and years and not had any violations of this mass, of this type, that we're aware of."

If you don't bother to check, and let the coachs "report" problems, I guess that you wouldn't be aware of them

pogo, Pryor (10/29/2009 9:47:21 AM)

The OSSAA says they're not aware of "any violations of this mass." Remember, this is the same group that had someone steal nearly $500,000 from them before it was discovered. I know of several students who "school shop." They go from school to school depending on the success of a school hoping to play on a championship team. I heard one parent say her football player son had been to three different schools, but the parents had never moved. I also know of schools who've asked students to come play for them. The OSSAA has buried their heads in the sand. They don't want to know.

pogo, Pryor (10/29/2009 9:29:24 PM)

FYI to BESSETTE. The same stuff that's going on in football now has been going on in most other sports for years. It's just that football is making all the news right now. I know of several incidences with baseball, boys and girls basketball, and soccer involving recruiting and school shopping.

BESSETTE, BIXBY (10/29/2009 4:49:13 PM)

I'm pretty sure you can go back the last 5 years at any of the big football programs and find many student athletes with grade issues, living arrangements and much, much more! The important thing here is that as of today these programs will take the extra time and research needed to make these decisions prior to enrolling, and allowing any new athletes in their programs the opportunity to play for their teams. Please stop with the finger pointing on these many great high school coaches, and be happy it hasn't spilled over into the other sports like girls soccer, volleyball, swimming, baseball, wresting.. Yea that's right there's more to life than just the football programs. Remember it's all about these young student athletes first. Have a tremendous day!

okhoopster1, (10/29/2009 7:44:08 AM)

OSSAA claims these are isolated? How would they know....unless they already knew. hmmmmm?

okhoopster1, (10/29/2009 7:44:37 AM)

BEGGS HS NEXT!

Cougarkitty, (10/29/2009 6:57:26 AM)

Teddy Bear either speak up and give details or shut the hell up....

Karma, (10/29/2009 11:57:32 AM)

Blatant cheating does NOT go on everywhere, at every school, it just doesn't. Now, are there legitimate mistakes made, yes probably quiet a bit. This stuff has gone on for years with some of these schools, I do not know about BTW, but we all it has happened at Jenks and Union for a number of years, while the OSSAA sat by and did nothing about it, the OSSAA is a joke, why would Danny Rennels want to pursue a school for cheating, when he is bilking the OSSAA out of $500,000, it is the old saying, "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house." I think the only reason they pursued these two cases, is because they were almost forced to, it is not that they wanted to. I heard Union may get turned in for a kid living in another town, and riding to school with an assistant football coach in the fall of 2004, that coach now coaches at another large Tulsa Metro school, wonder if he will be suspended too?

Karma, (10/30/2009 11:05:00 AM)

Even wrestling....i.e. Choctaw High School

innocentbystander, (10/29/2009 3:24:51 PM)

People move every day for very legitimate reasons. Based on your advice, randomlogic, you are saying that none of these kids should be allowed to play for a year? How can you justify to a child that "Daddy had to move for his job, and because of that you cannot participate this year." That's not right either. I don't know exactly what the perfect solution is, but that's not it. It's my understanding that the current rules allow for transfers that have physically moved residence to participate with minimal paperwork/etc. That's fine with me. The problem is the ones abusing taht system and renting apartments, etc. just to participate.

I actually feel sorry for the various school boards and the OSSAA. Do you know how many studen athletes are in the state and now all of a sudden, all of this pressure to check up on all of them. Is that really reasonable? I agree that it should remain the responsibility of the schools. If something is reported to the school board or OSSAA, then that is when they should get involved as they have. They don't need to be responsible for testing compliance at all levels...just too much. Maybe random testing from them would be good.

sitting bull, Claremore (10/29/2009 8:02:20 PM)

once again .....it all boils down to parents shopping their kids or parents in search of the holy grail.....the gold ball.....and some coaches wanting a gold ring themselves and selling their soul to have a chance at it...have heard about kids being a 4 different schools in 4 years boys and girls...kids moving their senior year because dad wants them to have a chance at a gold ball....when will it ever quit....ah! excuse me .....NEVER.....let the kids play and leave it at that....mom and dad's thinking their kid is a D 1...prospect....just do your research and the odds are not in your favor...by a lotto ticket or a scratch and sniff ticket and support the Oklahoma Teachers...you would have better odds....coaches, administrators, OSSAA, parents, heck everyone is to blame....it is not my fault is was the way I was brought up..it is because my dad beat me with a belt...oh, my bad....that don't happne now a days....

Teddy Bear 1975, Eufaula (10/29/2009 6:45:14 AM)

CASICA HALL is going down next. They are violating rules. Just keep tune it wiil happen.

GoFigure, (10/29/2009 10:13:21 AM)

Who polices this OSSAA? How could you have someone there steal 500,000 before you discovered it, and still hope to govern athletics effectively across this whole state. Seems like in years past they could care less about who's committed infractions and now all of a sudden this gumshoe gets caught stealing all this money and "now" all of a sudden, they've decided to enforce the so-called rules, which most of these schools don't even know what they are because this weak organization fails to supply them proper procedures to follow. All of this sounds like the new guy in charge is wanting a feather in his cap. Sounds like the whole bunch of them should have been fired and that whole organization rebuilt with qualified people. Why do we let this kind of crap go on in this state.

GoFigure, (10/29/2009 11:10:46 AM)

d van, You've got to remember, the OSSAA doesn't know what it's doing. How does a kid at Jenks miss a whole years' eligibility for 09' when his infraction occurred in 08'. He's properly enrolled for 09'and hasn't committed infractions for 09' but is sitting out the whole year because this OSSAA says so! They don't know what they're doing and thats' been evident for years. They make up this crap as they go and investigate whoever they think will get them the most press releases it seems.

GoFigure, (10/29/2009 3:13:23 PM)

Whats' going to be interesting is to see what other schools turn up in these investigations. I'll still bet we don't see any Hales, Rogers or other programs but these Elite, high profile ones. I still think the whole system could use some revamping but it's a much larger job to handle statewide than the resources they have available now.

Steff M, Claremore (10/29/2009 11:05:15 AM)

Specificly? Apparently he was ruled eligible before they knew about his participation last spring. Obviously they can't go back in time and punish last years team which was already finished with their season when the infraction occurred.

Steff M, Claremore (10/30/2009 4:50:16 PM)

If one of Dost's parents moved into the Union district then he would be eligible. It's my understanding that's what they did. Pretty simple. The rumor was he was going to Clare. Seq. last summer, where I believe one parent lives, but apparently he changed his mind and wanted to go to Union. Never heard Owasso come up. I don't see any problem with a kid going to school where he wants whether for sports, school or whatever. Last time I checked this was still America.

Steff M, Claremore (10/31/2009 7:53:12 AM)

Enlight is not a word and discrimination would be NOT letting a kid play a sport because they simply changed schools. If you want to change schools and not move then you sit out for a year, unless you can show cause through a hardship request that you should be allowed to play. It's pretty simple and makes perfect sense. I don't know why so many people are making such a big deal out of this thing. BTW and Jenks cheated, paid the price and are moving on. The OSSAA didn't make this stuff up. Most of the people making comments don't know the first thing about the OSSAA or it's rules and probably don't even have a kid who might be affected by any of this. Just people who like to bitch and moan and point fingers and complain about how bad the system's being run and how unfair it is to them or their town or team. "Wah... Jenks is too good." "Wah...Union is too good." "Wah...The private schools have an unfair advantage." Freakin whiners make me sick. Get better and get a life or go away.

Steff M, Claremore (10/31/2009 12:04:54 PM)

I guess that would depend on why he was expelled and if that reason was for something that would violate OSSAA's transfer rules. Again, this is not rocket science. Care to elaborate or are you one of the many who like to talk crap about people but not have all the facts?