AJMcV, (10/29/2009 6:05:48 AM)

Not a suprise, Coach Jimmerson was trained by Jenks Head Football Coach Trimble. (Jimmerson was one of Trimble's assistant football coachs at Jenks, before going to Tulsa)

Teddy Bear 1975, Eufaula (10/29/2009 6:45:14 AM)

CASICA HALL is going down next. They are violating rules. Just keep tune it wiil happen.

Cougarkitty, (10/29/2009 6:57:26 AM)

Teddy Bear either speak up and give details or shut the hell up....

okhoopster1, (10/29/2009 7:44:08 AM)

OSSAA claims these are isolated? How would they know....unless they already knew. hmmmmm?

okhoopster1, (10/29/2009 7:44:37 AM)

BEGGS HS NEXT!

dignified, Tulsa (10/29/2009 8:40:44 AM)

Isn't it pathetic, two supposed "power houses" and they are both cheaters!!!!

Good grief, what were these coaches thinking???

Must make the schools, TPS, and the state of OKlahoma proud!!!

T.B'Ville, Bruins (10/29/2009 9:07:58 AM)

The OSSAA better make examples of all the coaches and principles that had a hand in this. They better fire them and ban them for life or this WILL NOT be taken serious.

getreal, (10/29/2009 9:24:03 AM)

Cascia Hall may be in violation. They require their athletes to go to class, make their grades, etc. In Oklahoma, this is certainly a violation of football rules.

Being serious, if you think they are cheating, stop just saying it and call the OSSAA and prove it.

DomoArrigato, Outside of Tulsa (10/29/2009 9:34:16 AM)

"I think they're isolated," said Ed Sheakley, executive director for the Oklahoma Secondary School Activities Association. "We've gone through years and years and not had any violations of this mass, of this type, that we're aware of."

If you don't bother to check, and let the coachs "report" problems, I guess that you wouldn't be aware of them

pogo, Pryor (10/29/2009 9:47:21 AM)

The OSSAA says they're not aware of "any violations of this mass." Remember, this is the same group that had someone steal nearly $500,000 from them before it was discovered. I know of several students who "school shop." They go from school to school depending on the success of a school hoping to play on a championship team. I heard one parent say her football player son had been to three different schools, but the parents had never moved. I also know of schools who've asked students to come play for them. The OSSAA has buried their heads in the sand. They don't want to know.

jomatt, (10/29/2009 10:08:25 AM)

Isolated?! HAHAHAHAHA!

GoFigure, (10/29/2009 10:13:21 AM)

Who polices this OSSAA? How could you have someone there steal 500,000 before you discovered it, and still hope to govern athletics effectively across this whole state. Seems like in years past they could care less about who's committed infractions and now all of a sudden this gumshoe gets caught stealing all this money and "now" all of a sudden, they've decided to enforce the so-called rules, which most of these schools don't even know what they are because this weak organization fails to supply them proper procedures to follow. All of this sounds like the new guy in charge is wanting a feather in his cap. Sounds like the whole bunch of them should have been fired and that whole organization rebuilt with qualified people. Why do we let this kind of crap go on in this state.

Makeda, Tulsa (10/29/2009 10:31:17 AM)

GoFigure: You are so right! But this is Tulsa and TPS, so everyone does what they want to do till they get caught. Who is going to make changes at OSSAA? Stephanie needs to go and so does most of the staff. They won't do anything but wait for people to ask them to do their job, so I am contacting them today to say, go down the line and check all of your schools...what else do they have to do. If the two powerhouse schools are doing it, you better believe others are following their footsteps!

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 10:40:57 AM)

My question is:
Is the BTW backup QB ruled ineligible for this season as a punitive measure because of last school year's inclusion in spring events?

Since they're separate school years, The team is being punished this year for last school year's infractions.

The OSSAA says they punish the school in the school year that the infraction occured, but that's not how they treat athletes. Albert is being punished this year for what he did last school year.(even though he's specificly ruled as eligible since Oct. 9th)

Perhaps the OSSAA considers spring practices as de-facto segments of the next school year's sporting season?

But I don't see how Albert is forced to quit this season?

Steff M, Claremore (10/29/2009 11:05:15 AM)

Specificly? Apparently he was ruled eligible before they knew about his participation last spring. Obviously they can't go back in time and punish last years team which was already finished with their season when the infraction occurred.

GoFigure, (10/29/2009 11:10:46 AM)

d van, You've got to remember, the OSSAA doesn't know what it's doing. How does a kid at Jenks miss a whole years' eligibility for 09' when his infraction occurred in 08'. He's properly enrolled for 09'and hasn't committed infractions for 09' but is sitting out the whole year because this OSSAA says so! They don't know what they're doing and thats' been evident for years. They make up this crap as they go and investigate whoever they think will get them the most press releases it seems.

tulsa coach, tulsa (10/29/2009 11:12:10 AM)

Trust me... Every school is doing something wrong. It is just "who will get caught".
What are we setting up our kids for???
Will they cheat in college?? I think it's all they know...

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 11:15:10 AM)

The entire OSSAA structure is obsolete and inept.

Schools ought to start an alternative organization.

Holland Hall is starting to look like geniuses for opting out and joining a Texas Conference.

dcood, (10/29/2009 11:21:00 AM)

Now you are gettin the idea. I love Sheakley's response:'there have not been major violations like this before... as far as we know.' They didnt even realize their boss was stealing almost half a million in cash.

zack, pryor (10/29/2009 11:28:42 AM)

Make it easy if you change schools from inside the state for any reason you must sit out one year if you come from out of state then you fill out the paperwork it will decreasethe sheer load as reported.That puts the spot light back on academics. That seems to be what everyone says is why they move.

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 11:35:27 AM)

The OSSAA either get a Guestaupo policing force or rewrite the written rules. Right now they are caught looking like Sargeant Shultz, and acting like Jeckyl & Hyde.

The rules are tough enough but the system for policing is very enept. They let the "foxes run the henhouse".

They leave it up to schools to investigate their own crimes!(Can you say "cover up"?)

How can boosters really be sufficiently policed?

The AD gets paid by the school board but must make account to the OSSAA.

The OSSAA can't punish the ADs, but they take it out on the Head Coaches.

The Head Coaches are ordered by principals to submit to the ADs and let the ADs do the policing and reporting.

Karma, (10/29/2009 11:57:32 AM)

Blatant cheating does NOT go on everywhere, at every school, it just doesn't. Now, are there legitimate mistakes made, yes probably quiet a bit. This stuff has gone on for years with some of these schools, I do not know about BTW, but we all it has happened at Jenks and Union for a number of years, while the OSSAA sat by and did nothing about it, the OSSAA is a joke, why would Danny Rennels want to pursue a school for cheating, when he is bilking the OSSAA out of $500,000, it is the old saying, "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house." I think the only reason they pursued these two cases, is because they were almost forced to, it is not that they wanted to. I heard Union may get turned in for a kid living in another town, and riding to school with an assistant football coach in the fall of 2004, that coach now coaches at another large Tulsa Metro school, wonder if he will be suspended too?

JayZOne, (10/29/2009 12:27:07 PM)

I hope the OSSAA continues to also evaluate the private schools. It is not a coincidence that the #1 rated schools in 2A, 3A, and 5A are private. They should have to compete at least one, if not two classes higher than their enrollment dictates.

d van, Tulsa (10/29/2009 12:52:00 PM)

JayZ,
What logical argument do you have for mandating private schools play non-privates that are 9 times thier size?

Bishop McGuinness (686 students) would play Broken Arrow (4461 students).

Claremore Christian has 40 kids. you'd make them compete with Hominy (198).

You sound like a whiner, unless you have a logical argument for such a penalty.

And saying that "we keep losing" doen't count as a reason for penalizing the winners.

Govt. bureacracy leads to a lack of efficiency. That's what leads to these results.

A student's "G.I. bill" would fix the problem by making the govt. schools get more competitive. Let the govt. money follow the student.

Charter schools are just govt' schools with a reprieve from some of the bureaucracy.

hawkdaddy, (10/29/2009 1:10:14 PM)

These problems do exist in many places and have less to do with intended malice but more to do with the schools inability to track them. Most schools do not intentionally cheat but lack the resources to investigate such issues.

There may be more schools caught but it's up to disgruntled parents to turn them in because the OSSAA is certainly not going to investigate. You can look at all the major players in high school football and you are likely to find some problems if you dig deep enough. Kids and Parents look at the championship trophies and incredible facilities at some of these schools and want to be part of it, sometimes at any cost.

Hopefully the current hub bub about all of this will encourage everyone to clean house.